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Senior Managers at Deloitte are some of the most disrespectful human beings.

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Depends on which track you are on. It's up or out in traditional vs specialist. Those that make it is higher than what sm1 suggest. Principles have to retire at 62, period. Quarterly pay days with annual unit purchase based on your performance. So what makes it worth it is how many units you hold and the valuation of unit. Retirement is the big difference having a set annual retirement pay for life. MDs don't have to retire at 62, retirement calculations are different. What makes it worth it is subjective. Which path you take is up to the panel and your business case.

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Ahhh, very interesting. Thanks, SM2. Ok, so let's day that you're a federal SM making around $170,000. Assuming you make it through the fire pits of hell, you come in at the lowest level of partner aka you hold the fewest units. The price of the units depend on the firm's profitability. (Please feel free to correct those last two sentences if they are wrong.) As you sell more business, you move up the partner food chain and have more units and your units are worth more bc you have made the firm profitable. (Or are your units only worth the amount of biz you sell?) Ok, so retirement- it sounds like there is a pension that then pays you a few hundred thousand dollars per year, for life, indefinitely. Is this right? You're required to retire at 62 so assuming you live until you're 80, things are sweet. Anyways, thanks for the info. That might be a convoluted way to clarify the questions. I'm actually working right now on. Saturday and worked until midnight last night. I'm at consultant level, but should be at SC/M level, but whatever. I'm relatively new to the firm if you can't tell. My counselor who is a SM is telling me to take my time moving up the food chain. I think what he means is to chill while you can bc once you get up high, it sucks a ton and rarely gets much better after that. Sending a little prayer out to all of the D SM's out there and all of the people who work under them! Haha

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My SM once closed the door, looked me in the eyes, and said, "being a SM is hell." I loved the honesty

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I heard that too 😇

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My counselor is one of the few good ones. My current lead however is a sad excuse for a human. Rude tone, all caps emails, and does this snarky laugh at differing opinions.

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I think the shitty ones figure if they are miserable, everybody around them should also be miserable. On the flip side..I've had a few awesome SMs too

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being a SM sucks but it doesn't mean treating people like crap. luckily karma usually evens the playing field. that is all.

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Life is like a box of chocolates... you never know what type of Sr. Manager you will get on a project. Not all of us are rude or have sharp elbows. It's not an easy gauntlet to navigate the political minefields. I do my best to treat those I work with and those I'm responsible for, the same way I want and expect to be treated. Pissing on your practitioners on the way, only comes back to bite you when you need the followership or support. Don't be "that guy". Take care of those around you, that's being a leader people want to follow.

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I've been an SM for 5 months and they have been the worst 5 months of my life. You work 14 hour days, weekends, vacations, holidays, and you somehow always fall short. Partners treat you like peons and children at the same time, imparting their bullshit knowledge, useless cause they made PPD in less than 10 years and know nothing about delivery now. You try to keep shit from rolling down to the staff and you get burnt all the time. You have to decide whether to spend time developing people and doing firm shit or living life, and whenever you chose living life, it's the wrong choice... oh, and the switch to SM from M is immediate and with no training... I can't wait to get out of this hell... thank you for letting me rant!

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nope. I left D before I got promoted to SM for the very reasons in your thread. SMs at D are treated like pledges in a fraternity.

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I'm an SM. Life is hard but I'm not a dick.

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FOOLISH DELOITTE. WED NEVER BE SO BRASH. CHILDREN.

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Their life is not easy. Luckily most of SMs I've worked with before are good people

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I was an SM by left a few months back - couldn't take my jerkiness to the next level and hated the other SMS I had to work with. You are expected to sacrifice a true piece of your human soul to make at the D at that level. Total hell.

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You have to lose compassion and empathy to survive as SM

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^I'd gladly work for you. Given that you sound sane however, the odds are you don't work at Deloitte.

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I'm actually doing independent consulting right now, which is great. I can control my schedule and don't have to deal with all the firm bullshit. It's not as big $$ as uncle d, but for now quality of life is so much better. Il prob jump into industry at some point, probably after summer is over and go back to "real life" / but for now I'm dethawing after 10+ years in the big machine

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I had an enlightening discussion with one of our HR leaders who shared the hard truth with me. I learned that in im practice, we are actually on the higher side with 13% of SMs going to be promoted because we are growing and profitable. it boils down to profitable growth. the practice average promotes 8-10% of SMs. it is not advertised because SMs own the relationship of key clients and accounts. partners wait for SMs to get frustrated and quit. if most SMs knew this, they would probably go look for other opps or setup their own firms because chances are slim.

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D1 which ones are the non miserable ones? I don't think there any, that's why the SM level exists, to beat up ppl before they become worthy of the PPD promo

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I ain't about this life

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Joined a call 5 mins late today. I overheard SM telling another manager "...5mins late.. Wow that's bad huh". Bye Felicia

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I'd think the smartest SMs are the ones who see the writing on the wall on day 1 and ride the wave doing just enough to stay on for the 4-5 yrs allowed while pulling in a cushy salary until they get pushed out. If you do it right, won't leadership help you find a new opportunity as you're getting ready to move on too?

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