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With you bring vaxxed and your daughter bring young, ultimately you have to ask yourselves if you want to live life and preserve relationships or perpetually ask yourself this same question for the remainder of your life. Covid is endemic. The math says that a negative outcome for yourselves is next in minimal (higher likelihood of a negative outcome driving wintertime streets). Also at some point we have to decide as a society if we continue to create wedges (albeit created by them for not getting vaxxed); however if we believe the math and the science of the vaccines and what just general outcomes have been for you and those you’d be going with relative to a negative outcomes, we have to accept that life has risks (always has) and to move forward. In my opinion, if we trust the science and have taken precautions ourselves by getting vaxxed, we can live normal lives. Most “stop the spread” measures are not effective and that’s been borne out by all the math and science. I’d say move forward and preserve/build relationships. One can’t live life calibrating covid exposure (unless some type of concerning condition exists of course).
People have completely lost their minds
Omicron has become the dominant strain, and has a 4% hospitalization rate. The reason the original strain of covid was worrying was because it had a 20% hospitalization rate
Worldwide reported deaths from omicron are unbelievably low, the only slightly worrying thing about it is that it’s four times as contagious as the common cold (but has roughly the same mortality rate)
Consider that as cases have shot up 153% over the last few weeks the mortality rate is down 7%
Omicron is essentially a benign strain of covid that’s weakening the ability of more dangerous strains like Delta to spread, and it also seems to offer protection against deadlier strains like delta
It’s essentially nature’s booster shot and nearly entirely ignores vaccines
The point being, it’s time to stop being weirdos and go live your lives already
Chief
SM2, some think deaths are being undercounted.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6435124001
Larger question for me is why your daughter is unvaxxed. Makes no sense regardless of how little she goes out.
Those saying it only effects the individual seem to forget how taxed the healthcare system is in low vax areas. People with other illnesses can't get admitted and some are dying. And what is the stat? Something like 97% of hospitalized patients are unvaxxed. Why on earth would you choose not to do something that can protect you? And for those saying the risk is minor for young people, there are reports starting to come out about hospitals seeing an influx in pediatric hospitalizations with the rise of Omnicron. The math is crazy. Even if you take all serious side effects (reported, not proven) the chance of a serious side effect is so, so tiny compared to the risk of illness, hospitalizations, long covid and death. I am a freaking journalism grad and even I know how to calculate and compare percentages. Surely you can do it too!
Chief
That’s a hard no from me, hoss. Absolutely no way I knowingly get into an enclosed space with people intentionally spreading plague.
I might have to remotely work with a few of them, but I’m certainly not socializing with them and wouldn’t consider them friends anymore barring a legitimate medical issue.
Much to my surprise...I tested positive! I was only being tested because of my job...the mandate threat etc...and with no symptoms whatsoever...I am.POSITIVE!! I'm generally healthy, over 50, eat right, get my rest, and I work with the public. Not sure where I got it....BUT no symptoms at all...so asymptomatic??? Unvaxxed... underlying past health issues had me leary about the vax so I was not running to get it. I've been exposed many times in 2020...never sick. So I wasn't fearful. It's a PERSONAL CHOICE and people need to treat it as such. Including the political pushers. To each their own...take precautions to respect others and mind your business!
Many of you have lost the thread. Remember when the vax was supposed to protect you from getting covid? Oh wait it just reduces symptoms, oh wait it only lasts 10 week, oh wait.
“We’ve always known the vaccines don’t work to stop Covid”
-Covidians everywhere
They are not vaccinated doesn't mean they have covid
Rising Star
Those are awesome Fox News talking points, EY2. Too bad they have nothing to do with science, data, epidemiology, or common sense. Everyone’s learning about the virus at the same pace. Assuming that anyone should have been able to predict the course of this thing is a hopelessly naive perspective.
Pro
Honestly, what’s the point in asking? Half the people will say yes, and half will say no. So it’s really whatever you and your husband are comfortable with.
Pro
450+ comments later, I think I was right.
Pro
Those people have no business hosting a gathering and it’s not only smart, but appropriate for you to skip.
Enthusiast
Check back in with us in 5 days.
You are going???
Why is the daughter not vaxxed???
20% of all deaths in your daughter's age range is from Covid.
Nothing personal, but what planet are you all from?
Associate3, have you read your post? It's incredibly rude. Anonymity is not a license to lose decorum. Shame on you.
and hey listen, when you and your unvaccinated friends and family get covid, please don’t run to the medical centers and hospitals acting like Karen’s demanding service. Don’t overwhelm hospitals even more than they are (thanks to people like your host friends in the first place). Clearly, covid isn’t serious enough for you and your fellow party people, so clearly if you get covid you should be able shake it off on your own. It isn’t serious, right.
Chief
Social media is full of anecdotes of 6-12 hour ER waits, and someone just died in the waiting room. I get that anecdotes are not data, but they tell a similar story that the data does and makes it feel much more real to me.
People in there chats tend to say they won’t, even if you have 10 shots. Do what you feel comfortable with. I’d go because I trust my spouse advise (a Dr).
So out of curiosity have you kicked out daughter out until she is vaccinated? I mean you are basically complaining about others being unvaxxed and how they out your life at risk so how can you stand to be around your daughter? With that said just go to the party. Being around unvaxxed people (your daughter) hasnt caused a problem and you already admit she goes out and lives a normal life so what’s the difference. Your vaxxed you don’t have a higher chance of catching it. The vax does zero to getting it you are somewhat protected from sever symptoms. Go and enjoy friends and your life and stop being hypocritical of others.
Pro
SM2 - I think limiting the # of people you interact with is wise, especially with those who aren’t taking precautions. I don’t know why making an “exception” for OP’s daughter means OP might as well go and attend a party filled with people (vaccinated or unvaccinated). OP didn’t seem judgmental about the neighbors; she was simply reevaluating the risk of opening up their household’s interactions to another large group of people.
I would skip. The current variant spread very easy. Someone in my household just tested positive and they have had covid already and fully vaccinated.
Rising Star
D1 if you’re that cautious, taking a rapid test before the visit and having your cousin wear a mask during the visit is your safer bet.
To answer your note, yes, you are crazy.
*omicron grows exponentially*
“sHouLd i gO To an uNvaXxed paRtY?”
Some strangers I met on the subway are having an orgy… but no one at the gathering will be vaxxed. We’re going to be really careful but we miss our old Christmas traditions and feel like we have to go. Are we crazy?
Rising Star
Would not even consider it. Why risk trashing your own holiday plans with family?
We’re missing family time this week due to an exposure. It blows.
Conversely, we had a huge and successful Thanksgiving this year, including a neighborhood party. Everyone was vaxed, and people who had recently traveled took rapid tests at the door. No issues. You don’t have to be a hermit in a pandemic but you SHOULD use the tools available to you to minimize harm to yourself and others. Kinda a no brainer imo
Enthusiast
I went, I’m not worried. Christmas party this year was 3/4 unvaccinated people, though some of the older people were triple. No masks, lots of food and drinks. Felt really really good.
Personally I moved on a long time ago, Covid is here to stay, so adapt.
Do what you’re comfortable with.
Congrats on being part of the problem.
I know I can’t convince you not to go, so won’t even bother trying.
You’ll be fine since you’re vaxxed, but this is exactly why this damn virus is spreading like wildfire right now. People seem to forget that they are still carriers despite being vaxxed. D’oh! Screw everyone else!
Vaxxed with no booster doesn’t give strong protection against omicron, so it’s not a given that OP would be fine (in terms of not getting infected; they’d have low risk for severe illness or hospitalization though).
You're going to get COVID. It is going to happen.
You will not live in a bubble the rest of your life, and it is NOT going away.
Chief
But apparently we’re all literally Hitler for saying so.
You’re not alone. I see you out there!
Why are so many people unvaxxed????????
Freelance and A3, ironically you both could be correct. First, let’s all agree the current amount of positive patients are from Omicron (~77%) and the amount of severe as well as deaths are down by comparison from previous variants. Now there is evidence that shows a reduction in severity or death by those who are vaccinated. With that there’s also plenty of data showing a high rate of vaccinated people coming out. UK was one of the first to report this. However, there’s multiple reasons potentially. For example with more people being vaccinated than not it’s common sense it will rise for the vaccinated population. Another potential reason is simply that many of the unvaccinated got the Delta variant or other and have a high level of natural immunity based on all research that has come out. To A3s point, those who have natural immunity actually do have a higher level of protection and it’s degradation over time is extremely slower than the vaccine as if current research.
To A3s point the CDC is political as all government offices are. Maybe not to the extreme but typically all their SES staff are replaced with each admin and that SES then sets the strategy based on new administrations strategy. There’s nothing
New there at all. However, outside of the most current reduction in quarantine time (which is political and not science based) their decisions have been for what they thought was based mostly on science. There have been some disagreements between FDA and CDC and White House (children approval for vaccine) as well as some more recent stuff but it’s a newer trend. Most of the issues have come with lack of knowledge and refusal to really admit it. This lead to the vaccine is 100%, then not but you can’t spread it then well you can get it and spread it. They have moved the goal post a lot which is sketchy but let’s be honest they had no clue and we’re guessing or even hoping.
Now to A3s point as well the government doesn’t have the best track record historically with this stuff. How long did it take them to admit agent orange, anthrax and plenty of others. I actually don’t disagree with people apprehensiveness especially with the track record and missteps of recent.
Does the vaccine work? Sort of, but not as initially stated. Does it offer protection, yes and it’s backed by numerous studies. Are there long term effects? We have absolutely no clue as there is zero longitudinal research due to timing. Have there been issues adverse reactions? Certainly has as evidence lies in VAERS and Yellow Jacket safety system. Are they all valid, of course not but you can’t ignore them either. Do I believe the CDC would hide data about adverse effects? Certainly do because it would be a person trying to not get in trouble etc… it wouldn’t be a CDC thing. However it would be reported internationally unless they found some way to only affect people in the US which isn’t feasible.
You are both correct in your arguments to a point which is the problem with the whole thing