Shadow fired from v25 firm job today (2nd year associate/Class of 2019) - given 3 months to find a new job.

Somewhat blindsided, but firm seems supportive in helping me catch on somewhere. Had my struggles, but feel like I can still cut in big law if I'm given another opportunity. Any advice/words of encouragement would be welcomed.

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It’s a good time to be shadow fired. There are so many firms hiring right now. Learn from your mistakes. You’ll be just fine!

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Awesome answer - will get a freshish start elsewhere in a better situation. Take this time to take stock of what you do and don’t want to do. Blessing in disguise

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OP here - thanks for the kind words of encouragement. Long day, but I feel like I'm in a much better headspace than I was 12 hours ago. Looking forward to a clean slate and fresh start somewhere new.

Thanks again everyone for the support/encouragement!

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Also, don’t feel like you have to stay in BigLaw & “cut it.” There are boatloads of happy lawyers doing meaningful & sophisticated work in regional firms & small to mid-sized firms. 

Interesting. Didn’t realize such things were happening in this market. Transactional?

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Seconding this, are you transactional? (If so, you will be fine!) also as class of 2019, very weird that they wouldn’t want to work with you to help your troubleshoot… it’s their loss!

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Don’t tell recruiter you were shadow fired

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My understanding is that you're basically told to see yourself out after x weeks/months. Externally, it'll otherwise appear as though you left on your own and not that you were pushed out. So you don't have to deal with the stigma of being fired/laid off and can play it off in a way to get a new job.

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Ignore this if you’re not in the right head space but I think I’m about to get shadow fired and would appreciate any warning signs you may have received so I can compare.

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100% this is a first year overthinking it 🤣 okay all jokes aside, DM me friend I can give you a decent answer if you give me some facts

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That’s tough. Really. I’ve known more people in your shoes than you’d believe. You managed to get into a top firm, you can do it again. You’ll find your feet. And to echo another comment, this is THE hiring market to find a new role. If you need some advice or ideas on where to apply, DM me. Regardless — let it sink in today. Take a breath. Gather yourself. And it’ll work out.

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Update from OP - had multiple offers and just accepted one today. Excited for a fresh start and thankful for the support/encouragement everyone offered!

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Hey! Hmu. I’ll help you land somewhere else. Ex-biglaw with extensive ties in the market.

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That happens all the time, great spot to be in, if you want any market intel, let me know.

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Send me a DM if you are in the NY/LI area. My firm is hiring for a junior corp associate.

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Three months is BS. I was given six. You should ask for more time if you need it (and you may). Leverage them to help you look as well, they will.

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You can definitely get another firm job right now, but I would really look at making the jump to in-house in a couple years. I stuck it out in biglaw and made partner but tbh the money isn't worth it after a while, and now it's almost impossible to get an in-house gig (too senior). Wish I had left as a 5th year and started building an in-house career. As you get older time matters more than money, and biglaw is really for people who value money over time.

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What practice group? If tx, you’ll be fine. If lit or rx, more of a hustle but probably fine.

What does shadow fired mean. Nothing online about it.

I think they tell you to find a new job without telling you you’re fired

I'd love to refer you to my old firm (V50) if you're interested! Feel free to DM me.

Hey. All great advice up there. Please DM me. I have an idea/lead!

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