So something that I hate is how districts list the teacher to student ratio. My school is listed 1 teacher for every 14 students. Ha! I’ve had 30+ students in 5 class for 20 years. I don’t think they should include professionals that don’t work with kids everyday.

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They usually do it to the most competent teachers. They told me for years that we have waivers regarding class size but I knew and they knew that I knew they were full of sh*t. It’s tough when you see a colleague with 3 kids solely because that can’t handle more than that and they’re making more money than you do. My motto was like in boxing 🥊, I take on all comers. Over the years I got everyone’s public enemy #1. It wears on you but they know we’re capable.

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Yeah as long as they make it up to you with some support favors here and there, if not…hm..

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I teach high school grades 9-12. I do notice that high school classes are usually larger than elementary. I teach 12 different subjects through out the year. Some are 1 semester others are 2 semesters. And 3-4 of my classes also have inclusion students that require separate lesson plans. Right now my smallest class is 19 my largest class is 32. With so many subjects and most being CTE (career and technical education) and some work based learning where my students are at different schools for the Education Professions program, it makes it very difficult. This semester I have 166 students. So the number of students per teacher is not really an equitable ratio for classes like mine. Planning lessons are all done during my summer and fall, Christmas and spring break time. My one planning block of time is not enough to o plan for this much.

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I agree. As a special education teacher I have had regular education teachers say very demeaning comments about how we don’t work. There is no grading during class time. We have a huge case load and a ton of work associated with it. I guess until we teach in every discipline we won’t know how much they truly do.

Being a former administrator- I totally understand that. But that is the way the money is allocated for wages. Your SBDM can choose to have less “extra” teachers. 30 teachers is a heavy load… bless you

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Where Admin decisions on staffing are ineffective, alternatives in the marketplace would offer relief.

When we go to the grocery store we buy based on value. Shouldn’t the public have the same right to effective education for their children?

This age old problem seems to beg the for benefits of merit pay and school choice.

Choice would promote healthy competition in education. Parents would migrate to successful schools (or teachers within a school.) Learning would increase as schools improve.

Teachers and schools who demonstrate effectiveness would “merit” better pay, earning more than those who merely “punch the time clock” (or got into this career for the wrong reasons.) The most effective teachers have the most to gain; less effective teachers would become motivated to step up their game.

The greate$t $upport for the status quo? CTA, AFT et Al. The union’s main goal is to protect itself.
- We don’t need them for collective bargaining.
- Competitive legal “council” would be less expensive without union “leadership” taking their cut while
- charging us protection money and claiming to “represent all of us” in politics.
…The wizards of Oz controlling the union levers behind the curtain, have hypnotized too many of us, for too long.

- GC, 33rd year in public Ed. Currently teaching 6 periods, 2 courses, ~177 students.

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Talk about horrible inequity being built into a system. Essentially your plan would make the gap between the rich, privileged kids and the poor, disadvantaged students worse. Kids without means would have no way to attend a “better” school since transportation and access would become the main barrier. Parents who work multiple jobs don’t exactly have the time or way to transport their kids to another school.

The real problem is school funding. Until we find a sustainable method, not based on property taxes, this system will always leave the less wealthy or well-off behind. Currently it’s a system built by the rich for the rich.

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Making statistics lie…..

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Anyone that understands statistic’s knows how bogus an “average “ is. If Jeff Bezos was in your graduating class the average salary would be a billion dollars

I used to teach science in California where several of my classes were 40+. I didn’t even have enough desks so kids sat at lab tables and even my desk. When I complained I was told “What are you complaining about, you’re average is only 33.” This happened because I taught one section of AP which had about 10 or 12 students in it. Pssh… and that was a catalyst for me bailing on California

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In Va what is listed is actually an average for the county. The state has guidelines for what class sizes have to be- class sizes get bigger as the kids get older. However.....this whole thing has a loophole! It’s the average part. You could be 20 kids over the “guideline” and can’t do anything about it if your county’s average is still good.

My public district has the audacity to say 1:11 😂 I work in a private school, we are not even 1:11, I mean we are about 1:13 but public schools here are at a minimum 1:25+.

Welcome to the wonderful world of context-free statistics. One SPED teacher has 5 students, a math teacher has 25, so the average is 15 per teacher!

It is called lying with statistics. If you manipulate the numbers you can prove anything. Same situation here. Average clas size 20 while math classes have over 30.

Good discussion. I’ve been teaching for years and it’s always interesting the intro classes for 9 th grade are packed and if you teach 10 th on up the classes are much smaller. This is a big issue that seems to be ignored althiugh needs massive attention. In intro classes you have a mixed bag of issues from poor attendance students, students with adhd, students who have difficulty reading writing etc. with 40 kids in each class and no side the teachers must navigate it all in the hour. It’s impossible and kids end up falling in the cracks. This group needs to be smaller which will allow the teacher to properly assess students abilities, allow them to actually grade work in detail, communicate reg with each in class and just provide the help they need. If I was an admin I would reduce the size in this type of class.

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