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I just overheard a conversation in the grocery store yesterday. One white male with his college age son. Another white male who seemed to be some type of professional. The father says to the professional, "hey how much they pay in that position you are hiring for?". The professional male said "its $200,000". The father responded, "hey my son is graduating in a few weeks. He will be available to come help you out". The white professional said to the son, "hey give me a call next Monday we will see what we can do.".
For the most part, the stage was already set in favor of certain groups. The stage has been set for white males for the last 200 plus years. The stage was set up for Asian immigrants in the 1960's. Their children and grand children are now American citizens. Do some research. The American government and companies targeted the Asian immigrants because of the skills they gained in their home countries. Now that Black Americans can get an education (there is well known evidence that this was previously not possible for black people) and compete, new barriers were created because of white supremacy. Recognizing that these educated black Americans still faced unfair barriers because of being hated, the government tried to create laws that mitigated these barriers. That didn't work. Black educated people were still massively left out. Only the brightest of the bright were allowed to even get in simple professions like accounting. So now that corporations have woke up and realized that there is an untapped talent pool, some white people are angry. Don't act like all black people who are accepted in certain professions are lower than you because you are white or asian. Get off your high horse and recognize that it is our time to get some opportunities as well. As a matter of fact not opinion, whites are still getting preferential treatment in most areas of society.
The presumption of POC is definitely wrong, but the real world somehow works that way. I work in a very specialized practice and have received numerous interview opportunities at BB IB just because I am a diversity candidate (many interviewers actually mentioned that). On the other hand, my white colleague got rejected after the final round interview at BB, and they specially told him that they need to hire diversity candidate because of their diversity hiring requirement.
So you’re telling me you “friends” let you waste time on an interview, for a role they knew you weren’t meant to fill.
Then they told you, you didn’t get the position because you were white?
Sounds like cap. Firstly because if you have friends like that, time to let them go. Secondly, no HR person would say that, that’s a huge lawsuit. A guy down in North Carolina just got a settlement for being told he didn’t get a position based on race.
My aunt is a POC and made partner at a very large international firm and outright told me her being a POC helped her odds and that she hopes it’s benefits her children in their careers too 🤷♀️
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Cohn really just said the dumbest thing I ever read. Cohn sure hired talent
Yep, affirmative action and quotas may be well meaning, but they are going to create another entire generation of racial resentment. It’s just not worth it. Focusing on socio-economic hurdles is so much more productive.
Affirmative action doesn’t apply to international students though?
Thanks for highlighting this. Commented in there when another person said the same thing. Pretty sick to tear someone down like that.
OP Actually, many people predicted it. One of the flaws of DEI is the inherent need to push quotas. Therefore, they’ve adapted an “equality of outcome” approach rather than an “equality of opportunity” approach. This can be seen in college applications, job applications, and others (except Sports yet, thankfully). This is also seen in anti-capitalist countries. We have to reject quotas or colloquially known as “equality of outcome” and instead embrace “equality of opportunity”. They are too very distinct things and its important that everyone understands them.
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OP...why do you care???? If you're getting a shot, whatever the reason, take it and make the most of it. Focus on what you can control, not on what you can't.
POC is also an umbrella term for minority. Why did you automatically get defensive and assume black only?
For context, I am Asian, immigrant, grew up in poverty with many other non-Asian POC. My Latino and black friends got into better schools, some with full rides, with much lower scores and GPA than I had yet we all had similar economic upbringings. But all I can do is focus on what I can control. Success is about how you feel, not about what others say.
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Pwc6...pretty much 95%+ people that apply to a university or apply for a job meet all the requirements for the position or for acceptance. If you have 100 applicants that meet the basic requirements for only 10 positions, and a university or an employer then looks to race, is it racist to call that out? This is the core of AA.
AA is not about letting unqualified candidates through. Problem is if you have an Asian applicant applying to Harvard with 4.0 gpa and 1600 sat score and a black applicant with a 3.9 gpa and a 1300 sat, I'd personally bet that the black student gets admitted before that Asian student. Is this fair? Possibly, but it depends on perspective. Would your answer change if it turned out that there were actually 20 Asian students with 4.0/1600 sat score and the highest black applicant was the one with 3.9 and 1300? Of course there are other qualitative factors that come into play over test scores and GPA alone but the sceneario I just laid out statistically happens way more often. Also, if we truly want to be fair, how can you legitimately compare life experience / qualitative factors of two people? To say one is more valued/impressive than another is quite a pretentious approach.
What's the most fair way to approach these scenarios? Step 1, remove all unqualified applicants, Step 2, sort all applicants by race/minority status, step 3, pick top X% from each bucket in step 2 and advance them to interviews?
We need a more inclusive workforce so can we use race to help achieve this in a fair way?
I went to a good state school but definitely not a target for MBB/IB (top 60). In my four years there, not a single person went to a BB IB and only one went to MBB. The one who went to MBB was black and specifically went to the career fair at local HBCU where this specific MBB firm recruited from. Keep in mind this HBCU is poorly ranked. They go their purely to look for diverse candidates.
My attitude is props to you if you’re able to get those roles. Just being a POC obviously isn’t enough and being a POC shouldn’t take away from that accomplishment. With that being said, it sucks that as a white male, my application wouldn’t even be considered. Wish we could all just treat each other equally.
Um its tougher for asians lol
People act like getting interviews is impossible…GS has 41k us employees. They need talent.
Hold on EY1 you're saying it's statistically easier to get a high paying corporate job as a BIPOC person? Please share that data with the class. With over 30 years of being black I've never known that to be the case but I'm open to learning.
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I commented on it as well. As a minority if you look at the statistics you do have to admit it gives you a higher percent chance given similar grades to get into a college. But this case is very unique I guarantee 99/100 POC with the best back story wouldn’t get this interview
But the issue is spots going to who you consider undeserving. They take up far more spaces than people who get in to fill a quota so shouldn't they get more of your attention?
It depends on how you want to see it. Most of the people in these high positions used their family’s wealth and connections as a privilege to get in. You used POC. Totally fine to secure the bag and not being ashamed of it
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If this is for GS Controllers Group or Internal Audit, it's not that hard to get an interview regardless of race. For non IB roles, GS actually pays quite poorly compared to other banks, and from what I've heard the hours are worse than Big4
Its for IB
I think it’s perfectly fine for ppl to leverage all the resources they have to pursue a career including the POC card. However KPMG 1 in the screenshot is a bit rude and blunt by assuming the GS interview candidate is POC…
I’m sorry you face this in your every day life. A lot of people either don’t understand or choose to ignore these challenges. I wish I could understand am trying to be more compassionate, understanding and inclusive in my thought processes. As a white person, I feel I don’t have the resources or connections to truly understand what challenges you have faced. I’m hopeful that continued dialogue will help but know that isn’t enough.
Is this really an issue? I would take full advantage of my race if I was black or Hispanic…
that is one bad post - wtf kpmg
This was my post too lol
Agree with the post. Disagree that GS is so great. I’d rather cut my eyes out
This is sick. Keep your head up!!!!
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