Something I’m struggling with as it relates to the rise of the “Karens”. I get it, Karens suck and are very real but why is it that women always have to deal with this kind of stereotype? Men, especially Trumpian white men, are just as bad about their own privilege. Maybe they handle it differently or maybe people are less inclined to record them? I don’t know. But somehow it feels like yet another divide between women. Just wish we could make it less about gender and more about privilege.

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Gender has to be involved here because Karens are the white women who fail to understand intersectionality, even when they pose as feminists, and this is a problem. There is no room in social justice work for women who believe that because they experience discrimination, they are entitled to exercise it against other women, to people of color, and other marginalized folks. It's not possible to be a meaningful ally without recognizing the myriad ways that you benefit from white supremacy, let alone how other privileges may make your life easier as well (e.g. being cisgendered, heterosexual, able-bodied, generationally wealthy, not having student debt, etc).

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Many are also playing the damsel in distress card which has a different undertone and police response than from a dude. Especially from a white woman towards a BIPOC.

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What I’ve been thinking about Karen behavior - it’s partially because white women have learned that to exercise power in a white patriarchy, they must call on victimhood and/or appeal to an external source of power (eg, stern “speak to your manager” tone, or, ahem, call 911 on a birdwatcher). White women are trapped in the same power system as the rest of us, and for women like Karen, this is the only way they know how to exercise power. Plus they have learned to feel threatened by POC and so. Here they are. Playing victim/calling the manager. It’s how they learned to work the system that also sucks for them. Honestly I want every Karen calling her senator, mayor etc and putting that Karen energy to making the world just for the rest of us.

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Trumpy white guys have def a male equivalent named Chad

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Honestly I feel like the male version is also Karen

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Karen is more likely to weaponize her whiteness to call the police or to scold. Chad is more likely to get physically aggressive. The root cause is the same but the consequences are very different.

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Yes that’s a good point though is either one worse or better? Either Chad takes the matter into his own hands or Karen calls the cops to do it. They both suck. Just want to make sure Chads are shit on too 😂

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Also to add to this, black women have been getting called Shaniqua ever since, black men get the Tyrone or Daquan thing. Not saying any of it is right but it’s not exclusive to white women at all. All of these names represent the worst stereotypes of the person but only one kind actually gets your resume thrown in the trash.

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Look up the suffragettes movement and the oppression of Black women from White women. Also study up on American History about the role White women have played in the violent acts/deaths against Black people. Karen's may not be the right term but she has been a conspirator and protector of White privilege and the violence that comes with it throughout history.

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It’s not privilege. All whites have that. It’s a specific type (it’s Amy cooper). I feel bad for someone named Karen, but happy for all soccer moms who are no longer the catch all.

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@Huge OP - Most white women have always been antagonists against Black women & pitted themselves against us. Go read.

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Look up Emmett Till. The collaboration between white men and a white woman there. There are a lot more "Amy Coopers" out there than you think.

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So I completely understand what you are saying but I agree with a reply above that white men are called out but tend to be more aggressive/violent and do not call the police on people peacefully living their lives. And when the do call the police they are also called out on it. Not all the “living while black” incidents were by women. And right now, in this climate the Amy Coopers of the world need to be called out so we can all stand together against the patriarchy. But honestly, women of color will never fully trust white feminist have their back until more work is done. And if calling a few white women Karen is the way to bring to light some of the more complex issues women need to work through then maybe that’s the start.

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That makes sense. I guess the big diff is that white women tend to see cops as their protection in conflict whereas white men will take their toxic masculinity and get physical and not call authorities because “they can handle it”. I think that’s a helpful way for me to think about it. Thanks!

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The thing about Karen... she freaks out and then white men (and other white women) jump in to save her. White women are the biggest perpetrators of white supremacy. They’ve done the shit for years and years too.

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White women have been complicit in racism and the sustaining of white supremacy since the start of the country. When feminism started, they had the choice to stand in solidarity with their POC sisters, but they didn’t — they chose their own race, they chose their own husbands instead. We can’t ignore the role that white women play in white supremacy because to ignore it is to lie to ourselves. As white women “break the glass ceiling” in our industry (white women at least have the opportunity to be near the ceiling in the first place, right?), I see few talking about race, and most only talking about gender. And when white women do that, we know they’re just referring to other white women. As for Karen, she’s just a way too common manifeststion of how white women exercise their power over POC. It’s racist. It’s important we identify this behavior and make it unacceptable.

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Tell me about it. The more we call this out, the faster it changes I hope.

Male vs female, white vs POC, cis vs non cis, non-LBGT vs LGBT, non-immigrant vs immigrant, etc. The list goes on but if you identify with any characteristics in the former, you have inherent privilege of some sort. Even if you are part of a minority group elsewhere, it isn’t mutually exclusive and doesn’t cancel that privilege out. The thing with “Karens” isn’t entirely about them being women, it’s more specifically white women because they’re able to use their privilege and gender to play victim against let’s say a black male and call the cops on them. A white male is more likely to get physical and take things into their own hands (there’s Chad for that), which is just as bad, but I think the reason why you see a bunch of Karens now is because in a lot of those videos, the person on the receiving end of their wrath is usually POC and that’s riffing off on the BLM movement now. As much as gender inequality is rampant, we can’t deny that there is also a divide between white women and POC women, especially when a lot of companies’ idea of diversity is simply hiring more white women to check off that one box and call it a day.

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Theyre called kyles

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white women elected trump.

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What did I just read

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