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McK1 you are mixing the channels. Syrian kids are not in the US and never will be. We are talking about people that grew up in this country just like any kid born here. They don't know another reality.
Wtf is wrong with everyone!? These were people who moved to the US as kids FFS!! I'm not an advocate of illegal immigration just because I empathize with people who've lived here all their lives and find out that they were not "from" here but were brought into our country illegally! Where the hell is everyone's compassion? Now we do need to secure our borders, enhance our legal immigration system and enforce existing laws to reduce influx of illegal immigrating (which btw is already down) but at the same time all DACA beneficiaries should be allowed to live here.
DACA recipients came as kids. 50% of them when they were less than five years old.
They made no choices. They came with their parents who were seeking a better life for them, and they now contribute significantly to our economy and social fabric.
Those are the people you want to target as "lawbreakers" and send them away to a country they've literally never known, because of a decision their parents made?
Put yourself in their shoes for like a millisecond.
What?? Last I checked, we are a nation of laws (or at least we aspire to be). There are (and should be) real consequences for breaking the law. I get the humanitarian aspect but your ability to compartmentalize breaking the law while also seeking its protection is disingenuous at best and reeks of high hypocrisy. And before you direct your ire at me personally, I am an immigrant, except I followed the law - hence also proving it can be done. Get over yourself.
Everybody that doesn't agree with you is a Nazi. That about right?
Except Eastern European women, those are ok as they serve as trophy wives.
Cap1, are you trolling? You know that DACA recipients are generally well-educated, in good jobs, and (by law!) don't have criminal records, right?
If you don't know those things, you should probably start asking some questions about the media you've been consuming. If I were you I'd probably be upset that someone was fooling me into believing those things.
There's only one constituency helped by ending DACA: racists.
What? Stay on topic. Respond to the points I actually made, not some weird red herring. In case you missed it, I'll summarize:
You're saying that five-year-olds whose parents brought them here with hopes of a better life are "lawbreakers" who deserve to be forcibly sent away to a place they've never known, because of a decision their parents made.
Put yourself in their shoes for like a millisecond.
Yeah, basically, M1. Except that your analogy sucks (and I think you probably know that), because you don't own or have domain over the country like you do over your house.
The fact that that analogy sounds good to you (as if it were "your" country that you have domain over) sort of makes my point for me.
C1 just spewing his ignorance in any thread about this subject. Illegal immigrants have no access to welfare in this country. That is a fantasy that only Breitbart propagates.
Bullshit OP. We collectively hold dominion over our nation and exercise entry and exit through immigration laws.
Read harder, Cap1. What I *actually* said, in case you missed it, is that there's no economic, social, or moral case for ending DACA. It would be good for exactly one constituency. They're not Nazis just because they disagree with me.
"We are a nation made of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws and those laws must be followed to continue a civilized society." - Bill Clinton
^ I guess you are also organizing an airlift for all the Syrian kids since it's not their fault for being born there?
P2, OP expressly said they're not nazis. Sometimes I wonder if we're all really consultants, the lack of reading comprehension and basic logic on some of these threads is mind blowing. You wouldn't think it would be so hard to engage in intelligent debate.
OP has absolutely 0 to contribute here but blanket assertions and the standard liberal guilt trip. The post is just a troll invitation, not an intellectual conversation
This issue is so complex there is no clear-cut best answer. Knee-jerk reactions don't help the conversation on either side.
OP, think my colleague is taking this from pov that parents are lawbreakers and sometimes the hammer needs to come down to prevent future law-breaking.
Unfortunately, the punish kids for sins of the parents thing, though with precedent in certain systems (e.g. Children owe unpaid parental medical debts in some states), feels much more extreme here.
What makes this worse is many participants engaged in good faith and we risk people losing trust in future govt initiatives if administrations flip-flop so quickly and Congress doesn't make laws real.
As a liberal and legal immigrant, I am deeply disappointed in Obama admin's failure to institute comprehensive immigration reform and get us ahead of this mess (regardless of opposition), and then using band-aid tactics that normally wouldn't have been ripped off in standard political practice bc of such huge disruption -- but clearly T. is following the move fast and break things motto.
With that said, this is a cheap shot that I wish wasn't taken, but the country bears a burden for some segment either way, and for progressives to have a shot at winning political power back in '18/'20 so the big hard decisions can be done right (say - through comprehensive Law - Congress) the "anyone who disagrees is a bad human" narrative is not going to work.
Or too bad they couldn't walk their way over here?
There's also the basic labor supply and demand component. In a competitive labor market, increased labor supply lowers wages, all else equal. I generally support much higher rates of legal immigration, but not undermining the rule of law and pretending there are no consequences, economic, social or other.