Spouse & I need to live in a HCOL place for a couple years - min 2 years, up to 6 years - at 40 y.o. in order to grow our career & boost earning power. How do we manage housing cost that eats 1/3 of our pre-tax income? Sold our house in LCOL state and moved to the Bay area last year... Similar homes here are over a million dollars. But demand is so high to move to our suburb that renting costs just as much! Rented current place. Don't want to move our kids from their school every year.

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I don't think you can reach FIRE in the Bay Area

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Completely agree, we don't have aggressive FIRE goals as we prioritized some personal factors in the decision to move here. But well aware that we can't stay long term and still save /grow our NW at the rate we did for the last 15 years in LCOL.

I empathize with your situation. And that's why I won't move to a HCOL city even if it offers other advantages.

Few things to keep in mind:
- when you say renting cost as much as to buy, are you factoring in property taxes you'll have to pay? Annual tax on a million dollar property can easily be 15-20k.
- the down payment that you'll make if you buy, and the opportunity cost of the lump sum if it were to remain invested
- the PMI you'd pay if you don't put down 20%
- the closing cost when you buy, and more importantly, when you sell. 6% commission on the selling price plus closing costs.
- what if we hit a RE down turn in the next few years. How would you react to a situation if you were to be underwater on your mortgage?

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Good idea, although interest rates area actually at 2.9, another reason buyers are in a frenzy.

Another thought... if the cost to rent is also super high and you might be there as long as 6years, if you were to buy - even if it’s a less than ideal property - you can probably bank some nice returns when you’re ready to move.

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That's our current thinking. We have our down payment sitting in the bank since selling our old place. Rather than let it lose value as inflation rises, we would plunk it into the new property, let it appreciate a few years, then sell and move to a LCOL. With the cash out money, we could pay off a modest home to retire in. Meanwhile, if we move away sooner we can still hold the property and become landlords until a favorable time to sell.

Lol I bought a 1 bedroom condo in SF this year for just under a million, so I feel your pain. Thankfully, income in SF is also really high, so that helps

Interesting take! So hard to wrap my head around, but seems to be the way people here approach it. Guess I was the chump for accepting a job here at 150% of my old salary instead of 200% 🙂

But why have you stayed in the Bay Area through 1 year of wfh?

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