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Houston would be better (most of my LLM friends are in Houston because there were more jobs there). However, it’ll be difficult to transition from M&A to tax. Has your spouse considered transitioning at his/her current firm first so that it’ll make it easier to lateral tax to tax?
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It’s basically the law equivalent of a senior gen surgery resident sliding into a senior ortho (or what have you) resident’s role. How much does one year of prior training help? And it begs the question of why she’s no longer a tax attorney, which firms will likely ask.
If she’s adamant about the move, then to your question about Dallas/Houston, it’s firm dependent, but Houston tends to focus more on renewable energy, which is a very different area of tax law than standard M&A/PE transactions. Austin now also has several major firms that are building their tax presences, so that another option as well if there’s any interest, and some firms treat their TX offices as one for tax staffing purposes.
I’m practice M&A in Houston and there are pros and cons of both Houston and Dallas. Some people love Houston but hate Dallas and vice versa. I’d recommend a trip to both cities first if you both can make time for that to experience them first hand.
Houston has more jobs and is a larger legal market so she may have better luck here. I also generally find that Houston is more open to outsiders (especially laterals from NYC as there a lot of ex-NYC attorneys here). Whereas, Dallas can be insular at times and tends to prefer hiring individuals that grew up in Texas and preferably in Dallas.
Houston big law work is primarily focused on you guessed it: energy, which includes traditional oil & gas or renewable energy (solar and wind) and related infrastructure and service companies that support them.
Dallas big law work varies a bit more in industry/sectors.
Some parts of both cities can be pretty rough areas that I would never recommend visiting under any circumstance. Dallas does a better job of hiding those areas and Houston has no zoning laws so it leads to some odd developments at times.
Overall, I agree with A1 that switching from M&A to Tax is quite the jump. I doubt she’d have any problems finding a job in M&A but Tax will be a challenge with zero tax experience.
Thanks! We’ve been to Dallas twice and had a blast on both occasions. Will be visiting Houston in a few weeks.
Spouse actually has one year of tax experience prior to M&A, so not starting from scratch and willing to take a year’s cut if necessary. Besides O&G, are there other areas which Houston is stronger in and vice versa for Dallas?
How do the total hours in Tax compare to M&A?
I’d counter the Houston being better for Dallas in tax. Been at 3 BL firms now—2 only had tax groups in Dallas (zero tax attys in Houston) and third had strong groups in both, but Dallas was bigger and more highly regarded. I think this is going to be firm dependent, but agree Houston largely focuses on energy whereas Dallas tends to have a more varied client base.
Tax generally has slightly lower hours than M&A but this is by no means a given. I would also say M&A as a mid level/junior often has at least some passive hours they can bill for (sig pages/attn to closing) whereas tax tends to only bill for active “thinking” work. Both have “thinking” work that is complex and mentally draining, but tax this is almost all we can bill for whereas M&A there is generally a decent amount of “passive” they are billing for at the junior/ mid associate level.
My understanding is that our tax team supports everyone; they are on other people’s deadlines and most of the time they are our bottlenecks. So I am not sure that tax in big law will be tons better than m&a, plus factor in the learning curve and that she will have to learn to live with the feeling that she does not know anything for MANY years before she starts feeling comfortable. How about trying to keep up with tax law changes?? 😭
Would second it takes a certain personality/mind set to be ok feeling “like you don’t know shit for ten years” as an early tax mentor once put it to me.
Both are fine. It’s more about finding a great mentor and teacher.
Good tax lawyers can sit in one office and service clients anywhere. The key is being really good at the particular tax issues for the industries that the majority of the firm clients work in.
I grew up in Houston, work in Dallas, but use tax attorneys in Dallas, Houston, and Austin.
Agree with the other posters. You may get asked to take a class year cut because (A) M&A to Tax; and (B) Energy can be pretty technical if you aren’t accustomed to it (tax equity financing structures, electricity regulations, forced pooling of oil fields, etc.).
Not just O&G—Houston also is v strong in the renewables space.
That’s a big change. City preference will depend on what firm you target and what clients you want
Sounds like she went from Biglaw tax 1yr => biglaw M&A [x] years. If she’s willing to lateral “down” (e.g., V100), she might be able to spin it assuming a firm is looking for a junior tax associate. I would suspect firms would be willing to give credit for one year as tax, and maybe another year for the years as M&A. So I’d suspect maybe down to a 3rd year. This is assuming she has a really good story on the switch, and the switch back.
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Why the switch to Tax?