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Depends. If you are capable you shall receive! If the business team values your work, you will quickly become overwhelmed with work. Lots of dead weight in house.
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Not for me. I do actual work that helps the company make money lol the meetings I joint are 8/10 times necessary.
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You forgot babysitting and trying to keep the knuckleheads from (figuratively) burning themselves on the stove or running out into traffic
It's even worse when your boss (CEO) is a 70 year old attorney who hasn't practiced in years and still applies law from 30 years ago. Even better when the family gets positions of authority and prioritize his opinion over yours on legal matters. Your days are spent documenting what you advised as CYA with the bar and then cleaning up the messes when they don't listen.
Nope.
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Not for me, no. Lots of pointless meetings but lots of real work to do.
I’m curious but do a lot of law firm attorneys think in-house life is like what OP described? I have two in-house roles and no law firm experience and both roles required hard, substantive work, where legal brought a ton of value.
I’m fresh from private practice and yes. It’s also mostly true from what I’ve seen so far. It’s not that in house lawyers don’t work hard. It’s that private practice is an entirely different and much harder beast. It’s faster paced, more stressful and less forgiving.
It’s not for nothing that in house is dominated by women who left at the 5/6 year mark to have kids or joined after having kids.
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It probably depends on the job. Definitely a lot more meetings but a good in-house counsel will add value in those meetings rather than pretend to be involved.
I had that at one company. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians in that scenario. I did not have that experience at another company.
It’s really not culturally insensitive but I was being fishbowl sensitive in my response. My sister is Native American and would scoff at people apologizing for her. As of the very mention of an indian is somehow problematic, now THATS racist.
Really depends on your company and your specialty within the company. I can say that isn’t the case at all where I work. Meetings that could’ve been an email yes, but I find myself constantly having to keep our forward thinking business folks in line. There’s a ton of “you did what now?” and treating them like children and saying “no don’t touch that” “leave that alone” as the changes they would like to make would have broad legal impact.
If you’re aware of any circle jerk F100 companies hiring, let me know. I’m looking for easy street from here on out. Lol.
Uh, no. Not my experience at all. Lots of real work and interesting meetings where I add actual value. I love being in house!
Funny, that’s what I think of big firm associates
Kind of the definition of “circle jerk,” isn’t it?
No for me either. I support the revenue side of the business and closing the deals make an impact to the business. Business stakeholders recognize this and sends out kudos to those who helped closed the deal. Plus, I get to do other matters outside my specialty, which offers growth and expansion on skills. Also, you just have to step in with an open mind. Grow a business mindset rather than pure legal thinking. It makes a big difference.
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Nope. That sounds horrible, if it is your or anyone else’s experience. You might consider reading The Corporate Counsel Survival Guide by William Kruse before your first day.
I think so! I don’t remember it focusing on transactional versus litigation. It’s more about the big picture and how you approach and think about your role, build relationships, approach hard conversations with entrenched stakeholders, etc. I came from a lit background and found it super useful.
Flipping through the table of contents just now, I decided to re-read it. It set me up for early success before going in-house, and I could use a refresher on a few things to keep the momentum going.
Business advisor 85%, legal work 15%.
And if you just attend meetings and twiddle your thumbs you will likely be considered an unnecessary box business units have to check.
If you were previously at a firm, it’ll likely be your first real opportunity to be a lawyer.
Depends on the company. I’ve been in-house at a huge company with a large legal team (50+ attorneys) where I feel that many of the meetings were pointless and lots of busy work. I am now at a smaller company (but still considered a “large” company relatively speaking) with 5 attorneys supporting the whole company. I am much busier at current company but also feel that I can make a real impact and add more value.
I hope this question is somewhat tongue in cheek. If that is really your idea of in-house, it’s not for you. I find it to be busy, productive, and very fulfilling.
Depends on the size and structure of the company. I just left as sole in house for a $20M a year company and was busy af. I’m ab to join a legal department of 600ppl worldwide where I am definitely not at the top. I can’t imagine my experience will be the same as before.
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No it’s not I’m feeling like an idiot for working 60 hour weeks for FAANG though
Is the salary decent? I couldn’t. 30-40 hours is all I could do.