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Indiana â since these were students OF the private religious school, Iâm guessing that they donât agree with the policy, and they are looking to change that so their community more closely reflects their own beliefs and opinions. They werenât protesting the fact that the school is religious, they were protesting one clause in a school policy. As Illinois said, this is a fantastic example of the 1st amendment in action! đ
PMS..you say that youâre no judge, but you start your posting quoting(incorrectly) Leviticus. If you read the original text, the word translated men is really small boys. You are judging, though, even though you announce youâre not.
Rising Star
I get they are students, I get that it is a "Protest"ant religion, and now I get why they dont understand Private school. Some of the adults dont understand.
Private school means they can dictate anything they want towards staff. Doesnt matter if the students dont like it. Its the schools desicion what rules to establish & enforce. If said student or staff do not like the rules, do not apply to go there. Its very simple. No one is forced to apply or go there.
If there was a Satanic college I would not apply then go there, be shocked at what the rules are, but then protest because they dont include a Catholic Mass at least once a week.
I am so sick of hearing that word "inclusivity." This is a very inclusive country that allows businesses to set their own rules. Dont like it? Dont go there. There are thousands of other schools to go to. Take the protests to other countries that seek out and kill those that dont conform. Like China, any muslim based country. Only here, in this country, is everyone and every business supposed to bend at the knee to every whim of some group/ethnicity/religion/orientation/etc. Say something about the practices in China? Oh, no, cant do that. Say something against Saudi Arabia, Iran? Oh no, cant do that. China & muslim based countries have some of the worst Human Rights violations but thats ok. We are going to protest something that goes against a religious teaching, we knew it does, but we want to protest anyway because we are spoiled children and want to get our way.
Chief
This schools policy and reasoning for not hiring gay ppl is so discriminatory! It just is. We canât hide behind our âreligionâ about this!
My husband owns a business. If he didnât like older ppl (50 plus) and didnât hire them bc of their age, itâs a discriminatory practice. Canât slice it any other way!
The LGBTQ pride movement has characteristics of a completely radical religious movement. As there is not a single instance of anyone who can prove something is reality anything beyond âhey I said this characteristic about myself is true so itâs trueâ. Aka⌠âI believe I am a different gender and you must believe it tooâ. People who agree with it want to compel everyone around them to agree with their religion and if not, defund them, cancel them, fire them for their jobs. That is un-American. The pride flag and variations of it are Pseudo religious symbols in function. Would be no different if any religious group used these same tactics. There should be separation of church and state and right now the church of woke is being compelled by the state.
Pro
IES1, you are mistaken. Civil unions are NOT what non-religious and LGB have. We have legal marriages. We have the same marriage licenses as you. The only thing you have that we donât have is whatever documents might be issued by your church; but the documents of your church are not what make you legally married.
When do we draw a line between freedom of speech and entitlement? What these kids did was so disrespectful to the institution that has educated them. In Christendom, which is the set of principles this institution is built upon, the rainbow stands for a promise from God that He will never again flood the earth. But these kids, who attend this Christian school voluntarily, knowing in advance the principles of this school and where they stand on this issue, handed their administration rainbow flags that symbolize sexual conduct that is in violation of the school's policies. The entire issue isn't really about pro-gay or anti-gay, it is about INCLUSION. But it seems that pro-gay people are not happy with those who stand against public policies endorsing such behaviors so the pro-gay try to humiliate and shame them into conforming. This is not inclusion, this is entitlement. Let the pro-gay people fly their rainbow flag among those who are of the same persuasion, and let those who disagree with them hold fast to their values. That would be inclusion - accepting people of all different beliefs. What these students at this school did was disrespectful to their institution.
Also, this school's policy (from what I read in the article) in no way discriminates against the students who attend there, but sets a standard for the conduct they expect of their employees only. Doesn't every teacher in the nation have standards of conduct that they are expected to abide by? It is a good thing for an institution to ensure that the conduct of their employees reflect their policies and values, and private schools have every right to set those standards for their employees. Any demonstration against those policies is an underlying message of "we don't agree with your policies and you should change them." That is not inclusion. That is a demand for change. That is entitlement. I hope those students find a post-graduate education among institutions that they can agree with and learn that not everyone sees things the way they do, and to be truly inclusive of everyone means allowing everyone to have their own beliefs, values, lifestyles, and policies. Inclusion must go both ways.
But we must separate the ability to achieve perfection from the rightness of a policy. People are fallible and when they hurt children they should be put on trial for it. The policy itself stands as the standard, not the bad choices of those who could not live up to it. Try the people, but let the policies stand.
Rising Star
1st Amendment alive and well in our youth. Good to see.
Rising Star
Freedom of Speech has many, many forums and, according to the Supreme Court, many forms (including donating money, but that's another topic).
You don't get to decide which form and/or forum is appropriate for the situation, whether you like when or why people are using it.
That's what makes it, you know, a "Freedom".
if this were at a public school? sure, i agree with this - first amendment rights; - -but at a private school? seriously? private schools are allowed to set their own standards. this is ludicrous
First amendment rights donât actually apply here as itâs specific to the government intervening (aka arresting you).
Shouldnât private school students be able to voice disapproval of certain rules? They did it in a peaceful way that sent a message without disrupting the flow of the ceremony.
Rising Star
I don't understand what these young kids don't get about, "Private Religeous school."
Chief
Religious does not have to mean anti-gay.
It is a religious educational institution. If the kids or parents don't like the policy, don't go there then. If a teacher doesn't agree with their policy, then don't work there. Nobody is forcing anybody to work there or go to school there. The students clearly never fully learned what the school had to offer.
OP, my comment about âour churchâ was that you seem to be speaking for the Catholic Church yet you donât even believe/follow their teachingsâŚ
I donât treat gay people poorly. You are right, I donât understand them, but I accept them. What I (and âour churchâ) donât accept is the homosexual acts.
So yes I agree, not hiring someone because they are gay, is discriminationâ I have never said otherwise.
Good for them! I'm happy that students are taking a stand for their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them
Chief
Itâs appalling that teachers teach students how to participate in our democratic process in a non-violent way? What?
Happy to see them standing up for equality! Honestly when it comes to Christian religious institutions, I've yet to see the same level of devotion to being anti-divorce, anti-pork, anti-different cloths being mixed together as they are with this anti-gay nonsense.
Chief
The students also have every right to peacefully protest. Itâs not a big deal
Chief
Your laugh emoji Missouri hs is oh so predictable!
If I had a nickel for every time MN said âcore tenetâ I could retire from teaching đ
Kudos to the students. All people should be included, regardless of orientation. We're all human.
Then dont apply. That is their point. They want someone who aligns with their religious beliefs. It is a private religious school and that is their focus. You dont want that. Dont apply.
Chief
Hereâs what I want to know. What do Christians want gay people to do about being gay? Thatâs the way they are. You can abstain but youâre still gay even if you donât have sex with a same sex partner. So what is the Christian thing to do? They love god they love Jesus but theyâre gay. They donât deserve to be in your church? They deserve gods love less than you? Its been said 1000 times that we are all sinners. So what gives a sinner the right to tell another sinner they donât belong? That their sin is worse and theyâre not allowed to belong to your church? These questions have been on my mind.
Chief
Barb, the separation of church and state has been around since Thomas Jefferson. It is literally what our country is built upon.
So many people laud these students for "taking a stand" for what they believe in. Who will laud the school leadership for writing a policy that reflects what they believe in? Those who demand inclusion are often the greatest hypocrites because they reject the differences of others.
CES1 - Regarding your comment about hiring a gym teacher. Yes, the situation you are describing would be age discrimination. If a 35 year old and a 75 year old with equal qualifications apply, and the school hires the 35 year old, because they assume (due to their age) that they would be better able to handle the physical demands of the job, that is textbook ageism. There is no âmaybeâ about it. If you mean, could there be reasons OTHER than age that means they hire the 35 year old (for example, maybe the 35 year old has more experience with the age group they would be teaching), then yes, there could be. But the burden of proof that there were other factors that influenced the hiring of the younger candidate is on the employer. Same for private religious schools, the burden of proof that they are not excluding people from being hired ONLY because they are gay falls on the school if anyone claims that their hiring practices are discriminatory.
CES5 â Thereâs no such thing as one âChristian Theologyâ. These students were trying to persuade their school to see one aspect of denominational teaching differently, not to go directly against the core tenets of their denomination. I highly doubt itâs possible to find a university that you like EVERY single thing about and agree with 1000%âŚ
Chief
I love all these âspoiled childrenâ comments and âfollowing the rules.â Yet when the rules said wear a mask who acted like spoiled children and took pride in defying rules? Canât have it both ways!
Chief
Why should it matter what the issue is? Shouldnât you believe in following the rules regardless? Shouldnât you believe in not acting entitled regardless of the issue? Itâs only a problem when you disagree but when others do âthatâs not what weâre talking about.â
So what?
Are they filling out their post-graduate applications?
Are their final assignments turned in?
Do they have jobs lined up?
It was at a private Christian University, and if you are attending or working at a Christian University it should be expected that they would support Christian theology. Go to or work somewhere else. Problem solved.
Chief
Christians: donât push your beliefs onto us.
Also Christians: letâs put religion into politics
Chief
And the other point was that Christians absolutely do push their beliefs onto us and you need to stop. They telling someone that is gay they are wrong for being that way you are pushing your belief on to that person. So how about we just stop complaining all around?
There is also currently discussion within the United Methodist church about LGBTQ clergy. The article states that this is a Free Methodist institution. I am not familiar with the differences, but I wonder if that plays a role at all.
The article states that many of the admin and faculty or staff do not agree with this policy. Some alumni support the students, too. It isn't just the students. If it were a handful of vocal students, I would be more in the "you don't like it, don't go there" camp.
And comparing this to the American Revolution is not a reasonable comparison. The rebels lived here and slowly saw their lives and livelihoods being destroyed by the king. It is not the same as protesting a 4 year institution that you chose to attend. (I do not know when the policy was adopted. If it were a recent adoption, then I may change my mind).