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Suppose there are two classes - one at a state school and one at an Ivy league school. The class at the state school is taught by a professor who went to all Ivy League schools (undergrad/masters/PhD etc) The class at the Ivy League school is taught by a professor who went to all state schools (same as above). With respect to this class only, who gets the better education; the kid at the state or Ivy League school?

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The one who had the better teacher. Just because you come from an ivy league school doesn’t make you a good professor. Some of my best courses were from lecturers, not fully tenured professors, who were better at conveying information. Of course the reverse is true too, doesn’t make you a bad professor to be ivy leagues. This is a personality, passion, and skill question that is ability based, not something a school gives you.

On the basis of the available information only (and assuming contrary to Pr1’s argument that such situations exist), I would guess the class taught at the Ivy would be better on average. Mainly because there’s a variation in individual performance at any school, and the professor who came from state school education to rise to the Ivy League was probably really excellent. Whereas the professor who came from Ivy League education and wound up teaching at a non-prestigious state school, probably was not top of their class. They may have been right on the cusp of not finding an academic job at all, and were barely able to get over the line on the back of their prestige pedigree.

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Better education - the kid at the state school. Better opportunities - the Ivy League kid.

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The quality of education is basically the same. It’s the opportunity and access that elite schools give you. Your high school education is where it starts.

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You learn from peers more than from your professor. Peers from Ivy League school is going to be on average higher caliber than at a state school.

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Agree with first and second. The opportunities and learning 80% come from your peers. If in your second year biology class, you look around and see peers publishing papers, getting startup funding, presenting at conferences, etc. you'll definitely kick your rear into gear. Those same peers will bring the knowledge from external activities back to class discussions, and really push you to your limits. These are also the peers that help you find opportunities and jobs later in life. There just aren't enough students doing this type of work at state schools - opportunities exist at elite schools that the average state school just don't have the resources or network to obtain. + Most professors at elite universities aren't there primarily to teach (some of them are actually pretty bad at it) they are hired for their research successes. That doesn't mean you won't have great professors - learning from the truly remarkable is an amazing experience, but on average that's not the case (the majority of your interaction/ feedback will be with their TA or graduate assistant aside from if you speak up in lecture or go to office hours.

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There are basically no Ivy League professors who went to all state schools. Professors go sideways or down in prestige from their PhD institutions, not up.

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Although rare, there are certain some state schools that are as "elite" as the Ivy League- Berkeley is one of them. I think OP was trying to comparable elite vs. non-elite schools rather than private vs public, which is what this discussion turned into

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You don't go to an Ivy league to get a better education. You go to meet all the other upper class elites and "network"

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If that was all the information I had - I would guess Ivy because they have a higher standard for teachers they hire. We can’t assume any motivations for either teacher to teach at their institution.

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Tenure is typically based on research, less on teaching

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It's impossible to say given this information. The implication is that the Ivy League professor is inferior because of the schools they attended, but they likely have strong credentials elsewhere to have been hired.

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I don’t think thats implied, only assumed.

Ivy League “education” is no better or worse than what you would get at a state school, the benefit is in the network

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my two favorite classes at the University of Georgia (a respected if not elite state school) were taught by Ivy League grads (one was Princeton undergrad, the other Harvard MBA). But my favorite professor went to a state school. YMMV

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*Assuming not an “elite”’state school*

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Lol georgia tech isn’t an elite state school. Maybe tier 2

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Ivy League- classmates will push you to do better

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First, where you do your doctorate has ZERO correlation with teaching quality. Second, on average the top 50 schools have roughly the same quality of teaching. Third, education != classroom teaching alone. That being said, due to a combination of additional resources, programs, and average quality of peers, I’d still say the average Ivy League education overall is better than the average state school. But you’re paying a lot for that marginal difference. If it matters, HYP undergrad.

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OP clearly does not have enough billable work today.

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Get em!

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Education is more than what's in the textbook or where the professor went to school. The professor with the Ivy League background could be lazy AF or they could be amazing, but I might wonder why they are teaching at the state school and not one of their alma maters. Other question, what will the classroom experience be like with my peers and what will my network be like beyond the classroom.

I don’t think education of professors will be less at an ivy. However, top schools do have a rep of having professors who are brilliant and great at research but not great at actually teaching. So yeah you might get a better learning experience at a state school (I think uva is known for this). but will still have better jobs from an ivy.

I agree with the rest The only difference is your peer group (who drive you to do better or are well connected) and opportunities upon exit. And before someone says it, yea there’s marginal difference in professor quality. I had some VERY qualified economics, accounting’s, and business professors. Source: Did my undergrad at a California state university (tier below UC system) and did my MBA at a top 30 private institution.

The school is more a reflection of financial standing of the parents than quality of education. The person from ivy league will go on to be more "successful" in life regardless of the classes, because that is also more a reflection of financial standing of the parents than of actual value / intelligence

Uh this is not true at all. At least 15% of kids at most Ivy League schools are dirt poor (since they qualify for Pell grants). My family was super poor and I went to a HYP. I’m not sure why there’s a false perception that only rich kids go to Ivy League schools....

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