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Mentor
No, who cares?
Edit - who cares as in, it doesn’t matter as long as they pass eventually. Not to say it’s not a super awful feeling to fail / deal with the consequences and retake
Honestly don’t think about my law school peers anymore.
Subject Expert
Who?
Mentor
OP, this is a silly question. The T14 looks down on everybody.
That wasn’t the case at my T14, where the third most common UG institution in my class was a flagship-level state school. Of course, I can’t speak for any of the others.
Mentor
Totally. Unlike others in this thread, I’m honest with myself.
Enthusiast
A23 maybe it’s not that “others in this thread” are dishonest with themselves - could very well be that they just aren’t judgmental dbags.
No because the exam is essentially luck
@A25.... na it is all. If they weren't they wouldn't have failed the multiple choice of life by choosing law
Enthusiast
Why look down on anyone? People should worry about themselves (those who passed and those who took another try or two) - everyone has their circumstances. In 10 years no one is going to ask you how many times you took the bar.
Also in my experience, there are lots of folks from T14 schools who are not great attorneys and the same goes for lots of folks who passed the bar.
That exam and your school have little correlation with the type of attorney you will be.
Def look down on people who look down on others that fail the bar exam.
Subject Expert
Thinking about it more, I mostly assume something just went sideways during prep or the exam. I knew someone who is objectively very very bright and I’m sure prepped extensively and is out there being a great lawyer but her laptop died during the exam and she had to handwrite. She failed. I probably would have also under those circumstances.
Subject Expert
yeah that exam was a joke compared to law school
Mentor
Kindred spirits 😉
Enthusiast
No one ever talks about failing the bar or who failed after graduation. On the random chance I find out someone failed, I always assume people had something going on if they failed, whether it’s anxiety, sickness, family stuff, etc. The substance of the exam isn’t that hard if you’ve graduated from a top law school, but the circumstances can be brutal if your head isn’t in it for whatever reason.
- Someone that anxiety threw up in my room twice before the exam started.
TITCR
Subject Expert
Yeah, I’m like SO much better and more accomplished than Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton. Guess they should have gone to t14s. 💁🏽♀️
Haha there’s a women joke in there to be made if I was into misogynistic humor 😏
Not T14 but I passed the July Bar (first one after graduation) while working full time as a stockbroker while all my colleagueswere studying full time, so yeah I can't help but look down on anyone who doesn't pass it or passes but acts like it was so hard when they literally didn't have to do anything but study for 2 months.
💪🏼
Coach
I feel like most people I know who have failed it just didn’t do the work and didn’t give it the respect it deserved. It’s not hard, but it’s not something you can just show up and pass without trying.
I get that life happens. But anecdotally, one of my best friends had a baby 3 weeks before and was in the hospital with complications until the week of the bar exam & she passed.
So when people fail and afterwards say “oh I just didn’t try..” I’m like………. Okay lol
Subject Expert
I think A31’s point is that it’s fucked up that our system is we only offer the bar twice a year (and not evenly spaced) so that new grads are forced into this kind of decision rather than being able to take it on demand. When I took it (not THAT long ago) the state was doing its FIRST year of letting a lottery selection of lucky bar takers take it on laptop rather than handwriting. We’re ridiculously behind the times for no good reason. Same issue with LSAT 4 times a year on paper (at least when I took it) vs GRE etc you can take on demand on a computer.
Subject Expert
Depends on the state. Like CA ok
Isn’t “market” calculated regionally?
No. I have smart friends who failed because they had too much anxiety during the actual exam. Although unlikely, I think anyone could just get really unlucky and fail once.
Enthusiast
The smug superiority really does it for you, huh
Interested how this applies to T14 but no one else since there are folks at T14s who fail the bar too.
Subject Expert
I assumed that’s what the post was asking about, peers at our own T14 schools.
Enthusiast
Who cares? Your peers don’t pay your bills.
I had peers who failed, I empathized because its the normal thing to do. Two went in house recently and gave me their business. Both said it was because I was kind to them at that point.
In this profession, you never really know how the cards will fall and people can tell when you’re smug asshole and they will remember it.