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The President of the United States is claiming that the opposition party made up a hurricane death toll in order to make him look bad. And there are people who will believe him.

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Bush didn’t say that the democrats made up the 9/11 death toll to make him look bad. He didn’t even say that about Katrina! The fact that you’re even thinking about this in terms of “one side vs. the other side” proves how far Trump has fucked this conversation

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Wtf are you talking about For anyone who cares about Americans dying in deadly storms we count all the people who died Jesus how do we always come up with the dumbest possible way to think about things

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Probably some people in this bowl, even. And there are definitely people here who just won’t care. Some days ‘deplorable’ isn’t strong enough! Btw, this is how the president is thinking about hurricane recovery. If you’re in Florence’s path... uh... good luck.

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I voted for this guy and he is a total embarrassment. He seemed to be better choice at that time.

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Jesus. The vitriol here is why the dude has supporters. Sapient is literally agreeing with u and trying to be helpful by pointing out how someone else might interpret something and y’all are jumping down her or his throat.

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The only take in this thread worse than “Trump is just trying to spin the deaths of Americans” is “all you people being angry about dead Americans is how we got Trump”

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The opposition party doesn't make him look bad. He does that all by himself. He doesn't even need to speak to look bad. He looks bad in tweets.

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Love it, ASA. Here in Texas we’re working hard for Beto!

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^ that can be debated as it presents sources and facts . What trump says is downright made up ..he wants us to believe that is real news and rest is fake ( correction : treason) . That’s a concern

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Principle1 let’s not forget the entirety of this argument “3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit PR” that’s his direct quote. Please go ahead call me a monster but I think any excuse made for this POS President is absolutely disgusting.

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Sapient let’s replace Trump with Obama in your argument. You think you will be making the same excuse??????????

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Yeah, I’m not going for his die-hards here. Sorry, but if you can’t find it in yourself to be outraged about the President lying about the deaths of thousands of Americans, that’s on you. Not on me. Btw––it’s possible to be here talking *and* doing other things. I’ll be out knocking doors this weekend.

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KPMG 1 Did you read the article? Publish date was June 4th, and they reference a GW study that was supposed be released this summer. That GW study that was just released, confirming the death rate, which has prompted the most recent outcry.

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OP, I’m not arguing against you and this is not validation of Trump’s view. I’m simply explaining how people are reaching these numbers so you can make a logical argument rather than simply be outraged. What Trump is doing is something called “spin”. It’s not new, it’s not unique to him or a single political party, and it’s not going to stop. Obviously deaths from a hurricane should include indirect deaths. Many of the deaths from Katrina were indirect and hurricanes aren’t one off things. The effects last a very long time and every death that results from one is a tragedy.

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ASA1, this is not and was never a defense of Trump. We all know he’s a shitty person but I’d rather replace constant outrage with being well informed as to how people try to rationalize the things they say.

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OP & ASA1, neither I nor P1 are calling you a monster and no one is making excuses. We simply see that this constant outrage is not effective against Trump and his supporters. It’s been 3 years since he announced his run for presidency. You’re not going to effectively change their minds this way and so rather than keep screaming ourselves into exhaustion, maybe there’s an alternative approach we can take to combat the constant barrage of lies coming out of the White House.

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KPMG1, did you even read the article? It -challenges- the method used to arrive at the number (TL;DR: 4,000 is mid-point of broad range). It does NOT discredit the number. Also, it was conducted at least 2 months before the study commissioned by the PR Governor (who is on record supporting Trump). Please please use facts? Or at least READ?

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