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There is a huge push for our district to install audio and visual cameras to the classrooms. What do you all think?

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Intial reaction: um, no. However, if it had to be, my thoughts are that it definitely needs to be a 2 way street and only viewed for dispute purposes. No one should be able to just "check-in" on what I'm doing or talking about without coming into my room to do so. I don't have anything to hide, but the feeling of being watched is enough to put me on edge all the time. At the same time, if it is going to be used for the sake of seeing my teaching/behavior if you will, then it should be available for my protection the same way, to show student's behavior. I have been in a classroom where there wasn't enough time in meetings to describe the ridiculous behaviors of certain students or prove that I was in fact following a student's IEP the best I could.

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I think one of the hurdles in this conversation is whether or not we are okay with normalizing asymmetrical surveillance. As a society, we tend to agree to it or disagree to it based upon the motivation behind it. For example, people who work in banks always have cameras on them. The motivation for that is security and safety. Same thing for airports and mass transit stations. When a need has been demonstrated and surveillance can help in addressing that need, people are more likely to accept asymmetrical surveillance. Here’s the problem with proposals to put them in classrooms: there are mixed messages as to both the need and the motivation behind the idea. That tends to make people suspicious. And it gets worse when one of the perceived motivations seems to be political and the perceived need seems to be that we’re “indoctrinating” students. That suggests teachers are targeted as scapegoats and politicians are already looking to catch teachers doing something wrong. If they can’t find evidence of indoctrination, who’s to say they won’t look over the recordings in the name of the public good for something else they can target? The mixed messages, the asymmetric nature of the surveillance, the political motivation, and the targeting of teachers gives many people pause when considering how comfortable they would feel being recorded. These are not new arguments, by the way. If you want more, look into the concept of the panopticon. It was suggested by utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham (or his brother, that’s unclear) and then later revitalized and shot down by Michel Foucault. They didn’t have video surveillance back then, but they did tackle these issues.

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It’s a debate between “it protects the teacher and student” and “ab-so-effing-lutely not.” It seems that every time something is introduced to “protect” someone, it does more harm than good. Make a mistake and say a word you shouldn’t have? It’s now on tape for Joey to complain about, admin to investigate, and it to become part of your permanent record. More importantly, the introverts will never speak again. And if a student wants to privately divulge something to a teacher, say come out as LGBTQ+, that camera will shut them down right quick. Also, how many times would teachers decide to shut down organic discussions about edgy topics brought up by students because Big Brother is watching? I don’t think we are doing our students any favors by putting a camera in every classroom. If we have privacy concerns about them in public, why add them into each classroom? Wait. I know the answer to that: there are some out there who are thoroughly convinced teachers exist only to indoctrinate students to become radical leftists or to teach them the dreaded critical race theory. These ever-vigilante people are trying to control what not only their, but other kids are taught. Isn’t it funny how they say it’s always “the leftists” trying to indoctrinate kids, yet many of those same folks want religion and creationism to be taught in public schools? And then there’s the admin who would like to get rid of a good but prickly teacher or the teacher moving up the salary chain… No, I can see those cameras all of a sudden being turned against a teacher: “You didn’t make it to the end of Chapter 3 today. You’re behind.” “You used an article from the 1619 project. Strike one.” “Despite her good work, you didn’t stop in enough to check with Janey; she’s on an IEP, you know.” “You spent five minutes of instructional time talking about the kids’ pets. That’s not what classroom time is for. Strike two.” “We noticed that it seems you let students use the bathroom an awful lot, more than the rules say. Explain.” Ab-so-effing-lutely-not. The only cameras that should be in the classroom are the ones we turn on ourselves at the end of the day: did I try to do what was best for every single kid today?

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I'm with you. I had an issue last year via virtual teaching where I was accused of pushing my political beliefs and bashing our former president. I was teaching a high school math class on statistics and a student brought up Covid and the conflicting data that was published via various forms/sources of media. The class had a good discussion that carried into their social science and media/journalism classes. A parent was listening in and that afternoon, I received a frantic email from my head principal to report immediately to his office Monday morning. The recording saved my bacon, but from then on, I had to "shut-down" any and all discussions that the students proposed that were slightly/remotely controversial/political in nature with me having to say, "although this ties into our lesson, we cannot discuss this idea for it might upset some of our viewers." {And it still didn't please some of the parents. I finally sat down with my administrator and went through the remaining topics of the semester and had to modify or cut out parts if not whole lessons from my curriculum...which by the way was state approved and never caused an issue in the past}

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I wouldn’t have an objection to being videotaped, but I would appreciate having a classroom budget for basic supplies if my district has the money to invest in something like that. Some building maintenance money would be appreciated, too.

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Priorities

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oes admin plan to install in their offices and what about cabinet level?

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Now that’s the real question to be answered!!!! Great one CHS2!!!!!!

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I don’t like it. They say it’s to protect the teachers but it’s not. It’s to keep an eye on them. A 24/7 observation. Don’t mean to be skeptical but it’s in my nature.

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Surveillance is now “everywhere” and yet China is advanced compared to the U.S., perhaps more to come!

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In my district, parents need to sign an “opt-out” form if they don’t want their children photographed/videoed (is that a word?) I can only imagine the logistical problems of having a class of half “opt-in” and half “opt-out” students — I’m thinking lots of pixilation.

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I was wondering about the permission thing as well. I have many students who aren't allowed to have their picture taken/published for various reasons. I'm sure there some legal thing about this. I can't imagine there isn't. It seems like there's a lawsuit waiting under every rock (or at least my principal seems to think that). We also were not allowed to require students to have their cameras on during remote learning, but that was for different reasons (such as anxiety or they didn't want to broadcast differing economic status).

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Ugh, I'm just thinking about how often I've changed clothes in my classroom. The traveling sports teams camp in the classrooms, too. I don't have anything to hide professionally, and the video would actually be protective, but it's creepy thinking about every moment being surveilled even when I'm alone.

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@OHS1 I know of lawyers, businessmen, CEOs, etc. who will change in their offices in order to quickly attend something after work. Their offices are clearly professional spaces, but they are also the spaces in which these professionals transition between different roles. I don’t have an office, but there are days when I need to quickly change and head outside for soccer or board a travel bus for debate. I need a location where I can quickly and easily transition between professional roles. Given the state of the bathrooms and their distance from my room, the classroom is the ideal spot. Just because it’s a professional space doesn’t mean my role always mandates professional dress.

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My first thought would be that it may be ilegal without parental permission…

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It's not. No one except school staff is allowed to see it.

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Don’t pick your nose….

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My issue will be picking my butt. Let’s face it some times you need to adjust those undies.

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I’ve always had an open door policy. Doesn’t bother me any.

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I do not want to spend time explaining my 21stC pedagogy and course design to an administrator or rubric evaluating me with 19th-20thC standards- waste of time (camera or F2F) ! Neither do I have time to teach them- after remote learning and the pandemic- they do not seem to have a clue.

MHS1, I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Just because it's on tape, DOES NOT mean it shows the whole story. We give up individual rights (both the teacher's and the student's) for so-called "safety." I can see this being used against both teachers and students. You are right, shy kids will withdraw, kids won't share private issues that may save their lives (not just LGBTQ, etc., but child abuse or other harassment). I too have an open door policy and welcome anyone to come in at any time. I have nothing to hide, but I certainly don't want to be on camera all day either. Definitely see it as 1984!

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Oklahoma, I have had students come by in my prep to talk about private issues. I have been a person students can come to in their times if need. Some are very private. Talking about sexual abuse, family issues, even just boyfriend/girlfriend issues is private and students need to have support in private for many issues.

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Hard no. I do not want to be watched 10 hours a day. If the trust is so far gone that cameras are necessary, the problem is much deeper then a need for surveillance.

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Freedom of information act - FOIA, Lawyer, "I'd like to review that teacher's performance over the past 10 years." - No way, man, definitely not a good idea!

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Goodbye management issues. Hello accountability. You don’t have a right to privacy in your classroom and there is no need for it. Every consequence I can think of after installing cameras in classrooms is good. We should be embracing this. Let me ask this: what are you doing in your classroom that should be private? I invite friends and family to join us if they want. I am ecstatic if more people want to be involved in that student’s education.

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Response to Penn: I’m far from liberal and I have felt a lot of heat for my ideas over the last two decades. I’ve been told to be silent on many issues or potentially lose my job. Not even just in the classroom, but anywhere a student could hear. Legal counsel at one point was brow beating Christian teachers into not bringing Bibles to school, not being able to attend Christian club activities, or to even wear a cross or other dress that denoted religious leanings. I personally know an atheist principal who said that his teachers couldn’t let students even know that they were Christians or he would fire them. And as a Christian who is also science teacher, I have been mocked and ridiculed more than you could imagine. I can handle it, and I’m a pro, and I don’t try to proselytize my students. Interesting that it is “left leaning” teachers feeling heat, not for ideas or beliefs, but actual speech. Wonder what that should tell us? This is just opening your door to your classroom a little wider.

1984.....

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@MHS2, @OHS1, Our entire nation is experiencing challenges with mitigating Cybersecurity breeches - to include the highest levels of governments! In part, this is a result of our being slow to require ComputerScience content as other nations (the hackers) began 10-20 years past, sometimes beginning 1st grade. Over time, individuals become accustomed to cameras and carry on naturally as if they are not there.

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We have classroom video cameras but no audio. The cameras are only accessed when there is an issue. The video protects the teacher. It gives solid proof of what happened.

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It would be retirement time for me. Nothing to hide. If you want to visit my class then come. But no 1984. For all the reasons previously stated.

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Look folks, I have been physically aggressed on by students in my sschool, and then had the student lie about it. Camera on our campus, outside of classrooms have made a difference in vandalism on campus, fights between students, and over protective parents who don't want to believe there sweet darling majorly messed up, until site safety shows them the incident on camera. I have nothing to hide, they want cameras, bring it on.

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We have video cameras in every room. I love them! It's backup if you're accused of something you didn't do. Ours are basically only used for review if necessary. No one except admin and faculty can view them, not even parents. There isn't someone sitting there watching the videos trying to "catch" us in anything. I thought I would be self conscious all the time, but I'm not. This is not the first school I've been in that used them. I'm surprised so many of you don't have them. (I teach in a small town, not a big city, btw.)

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I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me the issue is not with the staff who could be required to be on camera, but rather the students. Since they have no choice as to whether or not they attend school, they cannot be required to be on camera.

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I believe the same. Liability generally begins with students. However, laws and policy (or practice) seem to be changing quickly for everyone as technology evolves.

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