There’s talk of men bringing in chaperones for meetings with female subordinates to avoid suspicion of impropriety in this #metoo movement. I’m just glad my office has floor to ceiling windows.

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I personally advocate the Pence Rule for the sake of self-preservation: do not dine alone with a woman from work other than your SO or attend events where alcohol is served without your SO by your side. Do this, and you'll never have to worry about #metoo movement fucking your career.

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@D2 - Thanks for bolstering my confidence in humanity - the extent of toxic masculinity in this thread is ridiculous, and makes me question the culture existing at other firms.

In my last two roles prior to joining Deloitte I worked as the only male on otherwise all women teams. Women are not LOOKING to be harassed, or deal with the consequences of reporting male colleagues. The fact of the matter is that harassment takes place on an almost daily basis for most women, if not at the workplace, then somewhere else. It's disheartening to me that so many of you seem to be unaware of how to interact with women, or see the world from their point of view. The whole concept behind the #MeToo movement is that sexual harassment and assault are so pervasive and yet extremely underreported because of people like those on this thread.

Look for ways to support your female coworkers. When you're going out to happy hours or office parties,be an advocate and support them if they are being harasses. Let them know that you are a safe person to come to if they ever feel uncomfortable. Be a fucking person, show a little vulnerability, and ask them to let you know if a conversation or something you do ever DOES make them feel uncomfortable.and if they have the courage to do so, have the humility to realize that whatever joke you may have been making is definitely not worth it at the expense of someone else's pain.

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Dude you all are so fucking weird. Just treat women like people... I don't get why this is so difficult for you

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To think that you need to do any more than not harass people to play it safe means you think women are routinely lying about being harassed. It's...not a great look for you

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People who are terrified about having their career fucked up by the me too movement probably need to have their career fucked up a little bit...non-harassers aren't typically that paranoid.

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I’m the only guy on an all-woman team and I go out with them all the time, both in a group and one-on-one. They’re my friends.

Personally, I think if you’re fundamentally a good person, then the people around you will know it. Then, if somebody did try to fuck you over by lying about assault, you will have many positive character advocates.

This is not something I worry about at all

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SC1 there is something wrong with the Pence rule: it limits the professional development and career advancement of women. When male leaders regularly decide that they can’t engage with one-on-one meetings with women—while continuing those interactions with other men—they are literally giving men preferential treatment. Your paranoia of being falsely accused does not make that okay.

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'Codified legal standards' dude you are the weirdest person I've even across. And no you're not playing it safe, you're being a bigot towards women because of your own personal issues... Act like a human being. Women are not going around ruining men's careers en mass. You need to get some women friends and have coffee. Believe it or not you don't have to try to fuck them

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Jesus Christ SC1 I cannot believe people like you are real...

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Dude C1 just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean you can then treat people different. If you can't handle that it's YOUR problem not anyone else's. Seriously you guys need to go to a seminar or something. I can't believe the shit you're saying. 'BuT she is pretty!? How can I be in a room with her?!' WTF

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SC1 do you also call your wife Mother?

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S& that's prejudice as fuck. Honestly that's a violation of equal treatment. What is wrong with you all?

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BA2: That’s a naive mentality. Once you get into senior management there’s always a target on your back. You must be a low level employee.

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WHAT. Why does it even have to resort to that? The better thing to do is to create a non-retaliation reporting culture like what's been encouraged in the ethics training.

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@D2 I only responding to the issues you bring up. The fact of the matter is that there is no codified set of legal standards for interactions between males and females. A woman can say the words "I froze; I was terrified" for any reason at any time, and it incites an extrajudicial trial that subverts due process and costs an individual his professional career. So, despite this, you're telling me I'm being unreasonable by playing it safe by advocating application of the Pence rule?

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Honestly if you’re a dude it’s not that hard. Don’t be fucking creepy around women. Just be a person someone else can feel safe around. That’s. It.

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I’ve had dozens of women on my teams (I’m a man) as my bosses, peers or working for me and I’ve never had the slightest problem even though we often end up alone together at the office, client or on the road. I’m just entirely unclear why you would worry about a harassment charge unless your behavior is questionable in some way. The pence rule is highly discriminatory - and if we start seeing it creep into regular behavior at my firm I’m sure we’ll take action on it as a form of discrimination against women

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BA1: That only helps the accuser, not the accused.

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PWC, maybe you do, but that's your problem. Should women also bring their SO? Didn't think so... seems like you have your own prejudices that need to be dealt with. Don't touch co-workers, don't make advances, and most of all don't be a weird fuck that thinks women need to be babysat when around men. Wtf

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I won’t treat women equally to men in the work place - that should be a good thing. I’m very buddy buddy with my coworkers and it helps us bond (e.g., patting backs, cracking jokes, hugs, etc.), Im much much more conservative around women at work just because I don’t have the social skill/ tact to navigate these waters and risk offending or making them feel uncomfortable . It’s worked out very well so far! However, I’d be lying if I deny that I’d much prefer guys on my team when it comes to late night projects or long term projects. Why? It takes more energy to be very guarded in my interaction with women than men. This was never a problem before but I do think this movement is making women who would not be offended by this stuff also hypersensitive #preparingtobeBURNED

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