Related Posts
Tata Consultancy What is the maximum salary i can ask in TCS ? I have my Hr round on 9th of August.
Im from mainframe background playing a project lead / Architect role with 12.5 yoe. My ccts is 23 lpa. Im also expecting promotion in another month or too .
Considering all this factor i am thinking to as minimum 34 LPA .
PLEASE pour your suggestions.
My client in the hospitality space located in NYC is looking for a new VP, People. Minimum of 10 yrs experience in HR for retail/hospitality/food companies needed. Prior team management/people coaching experience required. You can DM me here or send an email to dganimconsulting@gmail.com
More Posts
New York Shitty
Coach
Honestly hits a little too close to home
Visual Storyteller
Abu and Rajah.
Additional Posts in Advertising Confessions
Anyone have more info?
I'm thinking about cutting off my beard.
Pretty sure everyone knows I’m stoned rn
I’m too lazy to post Instagram stories.
Truth be told.
New to Fishbowl?
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
European here 🙋♀️ what’s been most crazy to me about seeing Americans on fishbowl is how defensive you all seem to get when people demand more vacation/maternity leave/pay/work-life balance. I know you’re bound by a lot of things you can’t change, but so much of your workforce has bought into the propaganda and attacks people who demand more (“you’re a VP, 60-hour weeks are part of the package, deal with it”, “4 week’s paid maternity leave? Must be nice. Shut up and realize how lucky you are” etc) and I think it really does a holistic disservice to the American workforce. The defensiveness blows me away.
VP1 - American here and you are correct. There’s a bizarre attitude here in NYC anyway, probably less so in other US cities, where there is some prideful competition about who works most, sleeps the least, eats takeout at their desk the most, last saw their family, has most unused vacation at year end, etc. It’s crazy and masochistic. Obviously it’s not everyone, but it’s a large percentage that is very vocal and seems to drive the atmosphere of imbalance.
It’s a sad state of affairs when one has to sacrifice getting paid what they’re worth in order have the the type of work/ life balance that comes standard in Europe
How hard have you looked for other jobs, VP Content? Client-side shouldn’t come with a pay cut, IMHO, unless you’re thinking that the lower you go on the totem pole there, the more you can do your job in your sleep, leading to better W/L balance? I can see many scenarios in which taking what’s essentially a demotion would actually be really frustrating, including reporting to people who you’re more qualified than, who also may have decent W/L balances. And, then, when trying to get a better job to correct it, you’d be working with the last job on your resume and might be an uphill battle? Lots of ways it could go, and I don’t know enough to give definitive advice. But generally, going for a more senior position (at least at parity with where you are now) should command *more* flexibility and balance, not less.
Also, I’ve seen “aging out” as largely an agency-side phenomenon, and a sad one at that (also it’s stupid, and largely due to a struggling business model at agencies in addition to a culture that glorifies youth). Pitched a really great client today (and have many times) where there were lots of people in their 40s and 50s at the table.
@FSE You are spot on. The worst part? (And I know this will be controversial) The work coming out of NYC these days isn't all that great on average.... especially considering the amount of toil going into it. I see more inspiring work coming from offices in markets where w/l balance is more agressively defended.
What's money w no time to enjoy it?
@Producer1 — my friends at agencies in England, Germany and France say otherwise
No. Don’t take the pay cut. Negotiate a move where you can have both. You worked too hard to earn that salary. You shouldn’t give it up
Don’t take it. At least not voluntarily the way you’re implying I see mature ad folks who start to get “pushed out” of the industry and start taking lower paying jobs. I dread that moment in my career. Don’t voluntarily take a lower job when you could be making more right now and save/bank that for later when your income starts to go down as we age.
Did it and don’t regret it a bit. Love being closer to the work again.
@acd1 European enjoyment is largely a myth..
Thank you guys, you’ve giving me a lot to think about. VP2, thank you for your thoughtful answer. I appreciate y’all!
You also need to remember that career advancement Client side happens much slower than it does on the agency side (assuming you’re not jumping from company to company). So what VP2 wrote is a very real scenario. You easily could find yourself in the frustrating place of being more experienced than the person you’re reporting to - which I don’t care how great your work/life balance is - is super demotivating
If you’re not happy make a change
I guess it depends on your salary range and opportunities for growth. You’re a VP... what can’t you do with $350K that you can with $400K? 😂
Cautionary note.. Our culture (and this industry in particular) tend to punish those that step off the treadmill. If you think they will overlook you now, it can be 10x more difficult to convince them if you decide you want back on. Sad truth.
What VP2 said x 10