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I left B4 2 years ago after looking at all the energy I was putting into work and realizing the toll it put on me physically, mentally, and socially. I was working 2700-2800 hours every year and gone 4 nights a week.
No one could believe I was willing to take a pay cut to go to a local firm and work 400-500 less hours a year. Now, I work at a firm where decisions are made to keep people under 60 hours in spring busy season, at 36 in the summer, and at 40 the rest of the year (total hours, not just charge). I have no regrets about my decision and that I don't need to pressure people to do more all the time.
It’s good to hear however math works out to be above 100% utilization still? I guess it really depends upon the group you are working in. In my group at Manager, Big4, utilization goal (charged hours) is only 78-80%. 2,800 is just too much to even think of. Cutting 400-500 hours still makes you over 100% and taking a cut plus local firm sounds a difficult decision. Of course, it would have made sense to you running 2800 hours already. What is chargeable goal across levels?
This is 100% right. I worked 80 hour weeks for 6 weeks on top of work 60+ hour weeks for 6 months and still felt like (and was told) I didn’t work hard enough. I recently left because I realized that no matter how hard I work, I still had “opportunity to grow.” It’s awful for people mental health to be told to work like that and then still focus on what went wrong. Like it’s led to confidence issues in my personal life because I don’t ever feel like I’m good enough or if I make a mistake, I’m an awful person.
Thank you! I quit recently and I am feeling a ton better. This article just brought up a lot of feelings from busy season. I just wish the right people would read this article and take actions. I have a ton of friends in public accounting and I hope they can help lead a culture change. I know us accounts have it bad, but lawyers have it a ton worse
Great article Honestly I don’t know how or why you B4 people do it. Hell I work 1800 BH a year and I feel burned out all the tome. I feel like even that is borderline unhealthy. Then I hear 2500+ That is truly insanity. You’re basically making minimum wage with those hours. That’s no way to live. If you were making a million dollars and you did it for 5 years to retire at 40, ok. But you aren’t
I am with you buddy and this article sums up the harsh reality pretty well. Up or Out policy sucks and I was being let go being an average performer compared to peers who have become slaves to say the least working non stop.
Ey5- I guess you didn’t get to the brainwashing part of the article. 😄
Oh man, this hits the nail on the head
This is why people keep bringing up the idea of a union.
Stop it with the union talk. Will never happen nor should it.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I see a lot of insecurity like this in myself and my colleagues, and I have been struggling with burnout. I’ve been focusing on being more disciplined with wellness to address this, but find that I keep running into the same challenges.
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Personally I don’t see this. I’m a manager now, but coming up the ranks, most of my teams really stressed work life balance. I constantly am telling people now to log off at 5:30 (or whenever they get their 8 hours in), and I log off as well. Smaller office though, so maybe that’s why?
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Yeah I got lucky for sure.
I’ll read it in the morning, but what’s the remedy?
K1 - When I said maverick leader I meant CEO. But you’re right it’s not in their best interest to line their pockets. That’s why I said it was a pipe dream.
This article is completely accurate!
I definitely see some of this in myself. The culture of overwork is so toxic. Thankfully my office is more on the chill side, but I’ve still caught myself in this weird competitive mentality.