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He is just using the pandemic as an excuse to further push his xenophobia.

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For the sake of argument, I will accept your premise that the virus was made in some lab in China. To be clear, I don’t believe that because there is not evidence to date of that, but I will stipulate to it since it actually doesn’t really matter what the source of the virus is when considering where we are today in the US.

You will note no public health or immunology specialist is calling for this virus to be called the “China virus”, in fact they are pushing back on that. That’s because 1) calling it “China virus” as opposed to SARS-CoV-2, per the normal naming method for these things, doesn’t further the understanding of the virus, 2) it can lead to an increase in xenophobia and they know how discrimination adversely impacts health outcomes.

Also, we are in a global pandemic 1) because the virus exists and is highly efficient at spreading, and 2) because of the failure of countries, individually and collectively, to respond to the spread of the virus effectively

To the second point, yes China is to blame but so too is US leadership (and Italian, and Iranian, and British etc. as applicable). Anyone that keeps going on about China’s failures without acknowledging their own is trying to deflect from their own failures, which likely means they are not adequately addressing said failures because they are more concerned with placing blame on others than fixing the actual issue.

The easiest way to tell this isn’t just a China issue is to look at the differences between nations that were impacted. US and S Korea had the same time to respond, and were getting the same information from the WHO. Yesterday South Korea reported the second day in a row of no deaths from this virus. The US is still on the upswing. Same “China virus”, same “China- biased WHO”, very different outcomes. How do you explain that?

I have to say that given that you are consultant, that you would swallow Trump’s blame it on the WHO/China/everyone-else-but-me routine is really surprising to me. Surely you have come across cases where a company is faced with a problem but their own response to that problem leads to the company’s success or failure? You’ve never complained, or had a colleague complain, about how a client didn’t implement the advice given, and how that resulted in the client’s poor performance. When this happens don’t you rightfully point to the failure of leadership to take the necessary steps? And would you accept management’s excuses that it was XYZ’s fault when other companies effectively responded to the challenge in front of them? Please explain to me why it’s different when it comes to Trump’s leadership with regards to this pandemic. Why point the finger at China not warning everyone else but not also blame US leadership for ignoring the information that South Korea relied on, and responded effectively to?

Also re: the WHO. Wouldn’t the better response to supposed Chinese bias at the WHO be for the US to lean into, rather than away from the WHO, especially given there isn’t a ready replacement for it? Cutting funding just means more of the WHO funding is coming from China which would presumably increase their China bias.

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>do more in response to COVID!
>that’s not what I meant, do less in response to COVID!

ok

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How does this approach reconcile with reopening the economy from a COVID perspective?

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As part of the labor class, I’m 100% behind Trump on this.

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Finally, someone who gets it

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Xenophobia?

Everyone: stay home, protect the sick
Liberals: keep immigration open!

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Everyone: stay home, protect the sick

Republicans: we’ll stop giving out work authorizations so if your work authorization is up you won’t get a renewal. No job for you! Time to move out of your apartment, take an airplane away from a COVID19 rampant city like NY and spread it to more countries!

Quit your whining already just because of your hatred. Nothing is official or confirmed yet.

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Millions of Americans unemployed =/= they have the skills to fill jobs vacated by the ban. I’m a citizen and a veteran. If he had a strong response back in January to Covid by bolstering state capacities and closing the borders, I get it. Now? Calling for the economy to open and restrictions to be lifted while pushing for a immigration ban under the guise of stopping Covid and saving jobs? Moronic. It’s not white collar jobs that we have to worry about, it’s blue collar workers who don’t have the avenues to being retrained and were underemployed/underpaid from the start. Banning immigration and saying hey buddy why don’t you just apply to this 150k/year job that requires 5-7 years of experience and a BA/MBA is moronic. We need to stop following parties and their leaders blindly. Do better, America

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EY2 all of those business have significant number of White Collar jobs at regional and corporate offices and if you don’t realize that many are currently furloughed or laid off I can’t help you understand. All businesses are searching for ways to cut costs and yes it often involves bringing in cheaper labor from outside the US. There are many well publicized cases of Companies using cheap labor from immigrants to replace American workers.

I never claimed it would help blue collar you argued that it wouldn’t and tried to draw me into that argument.

Millions are unemployed but we “need” immigrants for their skills?

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Director 1 - he’s not just cancelling work visas. It’s all visas. So if a grandma wants to come spend time with her children and grandchildren, she can’t. What’s the point of that?

The answer isn’t closing borders to all. That’s unrealistic and hurtful to the economy and quality of life. The answer is to test people who come into the country, which wouldn’t be too hard if the administration simply put a plan together.

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Look, COVID only kills people if there are people. No more people, no more COVID.

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From the article: “Workers who have for years received visas to perform specialized jobs in the United States would also be denied permission to arrive, though some workers in some industries deemed critical could be exempted from the ban, the people familiar with the president’s discussion said.” Who decides who is allowed in and who isn’t?

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It’s not about if he has the authority or not, it’s is right now the right time to drastically change our immigration laws when he should be focused on stopping Covid and reopening the economy. He’s pointing over here and yelling “hey look at that!” It’s his only move, really.

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What about students here applying for a visa?

Good point. They won’t be allowed back in, either right?

Guarantee the media sentiment changes to “the virus is under control” before Friday

Virus really cares about the 'media sentiment'

Anyone have a pending TN visa? Thoughts on how this would affect the application?

Am I missing something? But I dont understand how it helps unemployment, atleast during this critical moment. Just statistically people affected by this immigration policy/work visa change are more skilled worker in specific areas like software engineering. Most unemployed workers are mostly laid off due to affect in entertainment/restaurant/travel industry. I dont see how the skillsets could transfer and if anything it makes industries like professional services and tech more chaotic.

Great chart, thank you for sharing.

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