{ "media_type": "image", "post_content": "This isn’t just about blue collar labor + day laborers. This would have a drastic effect on talent and diversity in advertising and other industries. Trump has no idea how important foreign labor is. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2020/04/20/trump-says-will-suspend-immigration-over-virus-concerns/VFg3xBtttoPrFZYpYj5GbN/story.html", "post_id": "5e9eee246a8c2e001db6fce1", "reply_count": 105, "vote_count": 12, "bowl_id": "5e6fe1c31f5e51001d267e46", "bowl_name": "Coronavirus Work-life" }
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

He is just using the pandemic as an excuse to further push his xenophobia.

likesmart

Consultant 1 For the sake of argument, I will accept your premise that the virus was made in some lab in China. To be clear, I don’t believe that because there is not evidence to date of that, but I will stipulate to it since it actually doesn’t really matter what the source of the virus is when considering where we are today in the US. You will note no public health or immunology specialist is calling for this virus to be called the “China virus”, in fact they are pushing back on that. That’s because 1) calling it “China virus” as opposed to SARS-CoV-2, per the normal naming method for these things, doesn’t further the understanding of the virus, 2) it can lead to an increase in xenophobia and they know how discrimination adversely impacts health outcomes. Also, we are in a global pandemic 1) because the virus exists and is highly efficient at spreading, and 2) because of the failure of countries, individually and collectively, to respond to the spread of the virus effectively To the second point, yes China is to blame but so too is US leadership (and Italian, and Iranian, and British etc. as applicable). Anyone that keeps going on about China’s failures without acknowledging their own is trying to deflect from their own failures, which likely means they are not adequately addressing said failures because they are more concerned with placing blame on others than fixing the actual issue. The easiest way to tell this isn’t just a China issue is to look at the differences between nations that were impacted. US and S Korea had the same time to respond, and were getting the same information from the WHO. Yesterday South Korea reported the second day in a row of no deaths from this virus. The US is still on the upswing. Same “China virus”, same “China- biased WHO”, very different outcomes. How do you explain that? I have to say that given that you are consultant, that you would swallow Trump’s blame it on the WHO/China/everyone-else-but-me routine is really surprising to me. Surely you have come across cases where a company is faced with a problem but their own response to that problem leads to the company’s success or failure? You’ve never complained, or had a colleague complain, about how a client didn’t implement the advice given, and how that resulted in the client’s poor performance. When this happens don’t you rightfully point to the failure of leadership to take the necessary steps? And would you accept management’s excuses that it was XYZ’s fault when other companies effectively responded to the challenge in front of them? Please explain to me why it’s different when it comes to Trump’s leadership with regards to this pandemic. Why point the finger at China not warning everyone else but not also blame US leadership for ignoring the information that South Korea relied on, and responded effectively to? Also re: the WHO. Wouldn’t the better response to supposed Chinese bias at the WHO be for the US to lean into, rather than away from the WHO, especially given there isn’t a ready replacement for it? Cutting funding just means more of the WHO funding is coming from China which would presumably increase their China bias.

like

>do more in response to COVID! >that’s not what I meant, do less in response to COVID! ok

like

How does this approach reconcile with reopening the economy from a COVID perspective?

like

As part of the labor class, I’m 100% behind Trump on this.

likefunny

Finally, someone who gets it

like

Xenophobia? Everyone: stay home, protect the sick Liberals: keep immigration open!

likefunny

Everyone: stay home, protect the sick Republicans: we’ll stop giving out work authorizations so if your work authorization is up you won’t get a renewal. No job for you! Time to move out of your apartment, take an airplane away from a COVID19 rampant city like NY and spread it to more countries!

Quit your whining already just because of your hatred. Nothing is official or confirmed yet.

likefunny

Millions of Americans unemployed =/= they have the skills to fill jobs vacated by the ban. I’m a citizen and a veteran. If he had a strong response back in January to Covid by bolstering state capacities and closing the borders, I get it. Now? Calling for the economy to open and restrictions to be lifted while pushing for a immigration ban under the guise of stopping Covid and saving jobs? Moronic. It’s not white collar jobs that we have to worry about, it’s blue collar workers who don’t have the avenues to being retrained and were underemployed/underpaid from the start. Banning immigration and saying hey buddy why don’t you just apply to this 150k/year job that requires 5-7 years of experience and a BA/MBA is moronic. We need to stop following parties and their leaders blindly. Do better, America

likehelpful

EY2 all of those business have significant number of White Collar jobs at regional and corporate offices and if you don’t realize that many are currently furloughed or laid off I can’t help you understand. All businesses are searching for ways to cut costs and yes it often involves bringing in cheaper labor from outside the US. There are many well publicized cases of Companies using cheap labor from immigrants to replace American workers. I never claimed it would help blue collar you argued that it wouldn’t and tried to draw me into that argument.

Millions are unemployed but we “need” immigrants for their skills?

like

Director 1 - he’s not just cancelling work visas. It’s all visas. So if a grandma wants to come spend time with her children and grandchildren, she can’t. What’s the point of that? The answer isn’t closing borders to all. That’s unrealistic and hurtful to the economy and quality of life. The answer is to test people who come into the country, which wouldn’t be too hard if the administration simply put a plan together.

like

Look, COVID only kills people if there are people. No more people, no more COVID.

likefunny

From the article: “Workers who have for years received visas to perform specialized jobs in the United States would also be denied permission to arrive, though some workers in some industries deemed critical could be exempted from the ban, the people familiar with the president’s discussion said.” Who decides who is allowed in and who isn’t?

like

It’s not about if he has the authority or not, it’s is right now the right time to drastically change our immigration laws when he should be focused on stopping Covid and reopening the economy. He’s pointing over here and yelling “hey look at that!” It’s his only move, really.

like

What about students here applying for a visa?

Good point. They won’t be allowed back in, either right?

Guarantee the media sentiment changes to “the virus is under control” before Friday

Virus really cares about the 'media sentiment'

Anyone have a pending TN visa? Thoughts on how this would affect the application?

Am I missing something? But I dont understand how it helps unemployment, atleast during this critical moment. Just statistically people affected by this immigration policy/work visa change are more skilled worker in specific areas like software engineering. Most unemployed workers are mostly laid off due to affect in entertainment/restaurant/travel industry. I dont see how the skillsets could transfer and if anything it makes industries like professional services and tech more chaotic.

Great chart, thank you for sharing.

like

Related Posts

Anyone got their H1B stamped in Canada the first time? Or is safer to get that first stamp in your home country?

Being a foreign worker on H1b who recently rolled off from the project and currently on beach, what are my options in these times of impending slowdown?

like

I'm hearing that more H1B Executive orders are expected as early as July. Likely changing LCA wage levels and filing fees... Stay tuned. The ride has only begun.

likehelpful

Seems to be Deloitte and KPMG stopping all the H1B transfer?

like

How do we encourage our agencies to hire based on potential, not experience? Everyone wants diversity but everyone wants cookie cutter award-winning creatives too, which often don't necessarily match

likeuplifting

If my EOS for L1 is denied, is there any mechanism for recapturing time on the original visa period? Set to expire in Feb and probably won’t have i485 approved until the end of next year.

like

Is SPY now risky with the inclusion of Tesla?

like

President Trump recently signed an executive order banning US service members and federal contractors teaching certain components of diversity training. I’m wondering from those that manage in organizations affected what sort of ripple is this having. Do people anticipate a ripple effect on private businesses? With so many focusing on DE&I as of late, this seems like a big shock to the system.

like

Do any firm/office LGBT organizations recognize / incorporate intersectionality in their strategy and initiatives? I.e collaborating with other professional networks such as Latino, black professional networks, etc (overall diversity and inclusiveness) If so - would love to hear how!

like

So ridiculous being a resident alien, felt like I got an immigration law degree. Kept explaining why an expired visa doesn’t make me illegal to HR, DMV and basically everyone that’s not a lawyer

like

Hello, How long is it taking nowadays to receive physical approval notice of H1B? This is from Nebraska center.

like

Hi All, I recently got an offer from Google and will be moving from EY To Google. There will be a H1B transfer process involved. For my notice period should I provide that once the H1B transfer is completed and approved?

likehelpful

Can my wife’s dad apply for a Canadian tourist visa while he’s with us in the US on a B1/B2? His Canadian visa expires few weeks back. Or does he have to go to India to apply? Thx

Does anyone feel like the 'token' diversity person in a room/meeting and how do you deal with it?

like

Given how abysmal diversity is in senior leadership, what happened to the generation of black professionals who should be old enough/at the stage of being senior partners at our firms? Where are they professionally and what work did they do instead?

like

Just got a new job and feeling like the “diversity hire.” Everyone else is white or Indian and in the town halls they keep talking about upping Diversity and Inclusion targets to include more Female and Black/Latino individuals.

like

I don't have a very technical background (or cloud background at all tbh) but was given an offer as a Customer Engineer for google cloud. I'm not sure if this is due to diversity hiring (woman and a minority here), I've heard google cloud is trying to up diversity hiring a lot. I want to take the offer but not sure if I'm setting myself up for failure due to not having a strong tech background. Any advice?

like

If you’re on H1, do you still say yes to do you require visa sponsorship now or in future?

Has anyone used Dropbox for visa extension recently? How was the expirence?

like

Additional Posts

Can someone at EY consulting provide a referral?

like

Got an offer within Product Ops (Mt View) for L4, 145k base, 15% bonus, 185k equity (33/33/22/12), 15 sign on. One competing offer (that is lower) and only MBB promotion to Engagement manager in a few months as leverage point. Any fish guidance on how the offer fares up / how to proceed / what comp I should push for?

like

Hi all! My holiday party is this weekend, the dress code is “casual holiday attire”. What would you wear?? I can’t decide!

like

Any fun moving to Deloitte from PwC advisory, same role, maybe 20% hike and better projects?

like

Is it ethical or safe for a fully vaxxed person to fly after confirmed, close exposure to covid during the Thanksgiving holiday and weekend? Does that travel pose a risk to others? Should they voluntarily quarantine for 14 days?

likefunny

Are there “on-cycle” recruiting pipelines for recruiting from post-MBA roles? Or is it all ad-hoc recruiting?

like

How did AT Kearney handle full time offers for their summer 2019 interns given covid19? Did they rescind/postpone any offers?

like

Hey fishes, Can anyone help me with the interview process details and questions I can expect in KPMG for cloud engineer position. Will there be coding expected for this role? I am currently working a AWS Devops resource. Any info would be helpful! Thanks

like

You can set up home office and claim upto RS 18000 as reimbursement in Accenture.

like

ORD terminal 1 vegetarian food recommendations ?

like

What date does your bonus hit your bank account? State firm and overall division.

like

Saw a post recently about wlb being worse at a startup than consulting. Interviewing with an unicorn which is expected to ipo in may be 5 years. So trying to get an idea of what the consensus is based on folks who have already left. Role is semi-technical- solution architect.

like

ECD asked me to pitch my idea to client and it’s my first time. I feel like throwing up just thinking about it. 🤢

likehelpful

How long are you considered a “baby lawyer”?

likesmart

Prior to 2017, when was the last time there were significant layoffs at your firm?

like

Did Guidehouse increase salary ranges and do market adjustments over the past 12 months?

like

This is just weird. (Layoffs a week or so ago)

Post Photo
likefunnyhelpful

I don’t belong in my job. I didn’t mind it when I joined in January and was interacting but as we’ve been work from home longer, the less motivation I have. I don’t enjoy the work but I’ve gotten unlucky with my teams too, and can’t remember the last time my manager praised me without a critique. Maybe I’m just bad at my job. At this point I just am doing the bare minimum to not get fired. What do I do? Should I look for a job that I actually would enjoy doing or stick it out?

like

Okay, it’s week 3. I have a really noisy class. I have tried points, draw tickets, attention grabbers??? Help!!!!!!!

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
Download Fishbowl to see what others are saying
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the Fishbowl app

Get realtime notifications and see
what's happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal