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He should not have resigned. His comment could have been more empathetic, but the essence is true. He was simply advising people to be a protagonist and take control when they can. ( the catch is is the “when they can”, because many ppl could not because of the pandemic) Anyway, smart thought, poorly said, overreacted.

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Didn’t EY have a similar UK comment? Did they exit as well? I think we all need a happy medium there can be over complaining, but these are unprecedented times and firms need to be understanding of the pressures we face on top of a high performing job.

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There was more than just one comment.

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Cancel culture just flexing their muscle

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K3, 👏👏👏👏 and Amen 🙏 Bill Michael should open a firm and poach all of them😜

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“There’s no such thing as unconscious bias” lmao what

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I haven’t decided yet. I think one of his comments was worse than the other. Not sure he should step down for it though but I’m open to being convinced, which is why I opened this up for dialogue.

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“There is no such thing as unconscious bias. I don't buy it, because after every single unconscious bias training that's ever been done nothing has ever improved. So unless you care, you actually won't change” But if your firm is getting allegations of unconscious bias (which is an assumption, as essentially every firm in the corporate world does), that means you’re leading teams of people that don’t care about being biased and you’ve kept them around anyway. He dug his own grave with his comments, good riddance.

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He had a potpourri of bad comments, not just one. Tone at the top matters, and letting him get away with all of them would convey that those comments, plus action or lack thereof as informed by those views, are acceptable. He had to go.

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I like that “potpourri of bad comments”... it’s true. Horrible judgment of someone in his position

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Wow am I the only person who is happy he resigned? It was poor leadership. Do better. I must add in the UK, these issues are far less divisive than the US. There was an obvious wrongdoing

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Precisely! Also boomer partners can’t go stale and still expect their woke millennial workforce to grind hard in these conditions. Both sides need to be flexible and adapt, he just refused to.

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He is 💯 out of touch if he thinks there is no such thing as unconscious bias. Anyone who believes that should not be in a job where they work with a large cast of people

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Unconscious bias training is a progressive left social engineering program. He should have hammered it for what it is rather than being milequetoast.

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Oh please stop moaning about it. 🤷

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Obviously ridiculous reaction despite the also obviously true if poorly judged comment.

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But he's right though

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Resigned. Good to see a quick reaction 👏

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If this is what he said in public, imagine how he felt (or what he said) in private. Toxicity needs to go. He was toxic. Not much more to it.

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His comments were in extremely poor taste and he should have thought about how easy they’d be to weaponize. Tactical blunder. BUT, it is completely true that companies administer bias training utterly in bad faith, knowing full well it will not change anything, only to cover themselves legally. If he was making the point that it isn’t enough, he’s completely right! The other pandemic “victim card” stuff is... weird? Hostile? Not a partner I’d want to work for? On one hand it is hard to see why this was fireable (assuming resignation was more or less forced). On the other hand, we have to assume those in the firm who pushed for this outcome know the situation better than we do after one article. These issues deserve discussion, shame that it has to happen this way.

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This. Although it appears others seem to be taking different perspectives on how to interpret, I agree with this analysis of the current situation based on available evidence. Everyone is basing their opinion of "he has to go, he's a scumbag" on a couple slices dialogue without the full picture. Shame that so many smart people are so quick to judge without much evidence

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I am tired of hearing well paid professionals acting like entitled divas complaining that they are working too hard for compensation that 95% of people would love to have an opportunity to earn. Yes B4 professionals work long hours early in their careers, but the work pays off in significant multiples as you progress through your career. Those who are complaining about the hard work now, will be the first to complain when the believe they are not being paid enough in 10 years because no one is putting in the effort. The reality is, if everyone only works the minimal hours, compensation at all levels will need to be adjusted downward by 20%+ because it will take more people to perform the same amount of work/generate the same revenue. Those who are complaining about what he said live in a fantasy world

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It was funny to read your first sentence and then realize it was about B4

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😐 OP you still have time to take the post down

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Why would I take it down? I’m curious what others think... talking about these things helps us all understand it better and learn.

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Prob just wanted an excuse to retire early.

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Agree it’s drastic. Too many sensitive babies out there these days.

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his only mistake is he got caught saying things, that most senior people say and believe anyways in closed groups!

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The only way these only mistakes are corrected is by public prosecutions

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I think the truth is in the middle. I’m SURE this is not the only bad thing he’s said. I can’t imagine it’s this comment in isolation that caused him to step down. It’s probably this plus other things the article spoke about plus he was probably “too real” for some people.

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The BEACH or the BENCH? 🤔

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