Thoughts (particularly from women) on using "hey guys" or "you guys" when addressing a mixed-gender group/group of women?
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Woman here, and while it's not like we're going report you to HR for this or think that you're a complete misogynist, it's appreciated if you use a different term.
Interestingly, where it makes the most difference as far as helping us feel seen is when we are a significant minority in the meeting /call / email.
As a programmer, I am frequently the only woman in a room of 15 people. I'm so used to it nothing matters to me any more, but I will try to watch what I'm saying and use folks or people or something from now on. Thanks for asking!!!
easy to be inclusive
BAH2, I’m from California and everyone is a dude
‘Guys’ is literally in the dictionary for - ‘persons of either sex’
Stop looking for ways to be offended
i bet a guy wrote these lol
I use everyone, folks, y'all (lived in TX for a while).
I don't think many are that offended with a "you guys", but it feels like a tiny adjustment I can make to be a little more inclusive that costs me nothing, so I try.
Ewwww “everyone” feels so distant.
Stop worrying. No one cares.
No, there are plenty of Karen’s out there that do. Have you not seen some of the crazy posts on here of people who got in trouble for saying exactly what OP is referring to… “you guys”
I don't care (I'm a woman).
C14, I’m not a woman but you sound like one 🥵
Not a woman, but how hard is it to change from “hey guys” to “hey everyone”? If it makes one person on your team feel 1% more included, it’s worth changing the habit given it’s not too hard to do.
C8 Cisgender heterosexual
I’m a woman and do not care. Let’s just normalize it as gender neutral so we don’t all have to start saying y’all.
I have the perfect solution: y'guys
It’s funny cuz in this thread I see more people getting extremely enraged at having to change than people actually offended by “you guys”. Feels more like having to change to be inclusive is causing more contention than anything else. It’s an easy switch that literally will impact your day to day basically 0%. So why all the hysterics of “pEoPlE aRe tOo SeNsiTiVe” when it’s really the people saying that who are most sensitive
Yeah they usually say the first person that speaks loses I don’t know if that’s the way it goes
You know, it’s funny but just the other day, my girlfriend called out to me saying ‘hey babe’, I should’ve call her out right then for using these stereotypically feminine terms to address any men or non-binary people in her life, past or present, as it is not inclusive. She should only use ‘hey lover’, ‘hello bedfellow’ or ‘dear betrothed’ colloquially.
Or maybe I accept the fact that some terms have come to be associated with all genders and aren’t really that hurtful… nah, that’s too much of an ask.
Anyways seriously, you should try and use ‘team’ or ‘folks’ if (and as much as) you can but people shouldn’t really get enraged if you happen to use ‘guys’ sometimes.
But that’s exactly the argument, and we’ve heard plural guys as gender neutral as well, so why are we now acting like it’s an issue?
If you are offended by “hey guys” you will not make it in front of any client director level or above.
Inclusive doesn’t mean everyone has to have every sensitivity catered to always. Be an adult. Not all words cause “trauma”
We used to hunt buffalo in the wild to survive and now we debate this kind of %#$& lol. We are so comfortable that we invent new problems
It might take a world war for people to get offended at real stuff
“Hai besties 👯♀️💅”
I hope the emojis are included
Honestly, the proper response would simply be to address the group as "Good Morning Everyone" With the importance of DEIB (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging) we need to personally and professionally consider how we address one another and put forth the effort to change our vernacular. We can never predict what will offend a person but let's not add to the possible offense by the words we speak.
No. Please stay in your little safe bubble while the rest of the world does work
I tend to go with hey team. Or team - we need to: x,y, z. Or in more formal emails:. Colleagues.
Next time I’m working with a group of say, 6 women and 3 guys, I’m just gonna say “Whatsup girls.” 😂
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I think most people don't care but it's easy to switch if you pay attention to it. I mostly go with team, hey all, or (in a joking casual way) ladies and gents.
To be clear, ive never personally been offended and people will blow this up to be a thing, but I'm down for easy changes (like swapping the all inclusive partner/SO for spouse/bf/gf) that may make people feel more comfortable 🤷♀️
As a woman, I prefer to be greeted as “Wats poppin Chica?” I’m offended by any other phrase.
I go with Team. Not because of gender reasons, but because “hey guys” sounds young or inexperienced in my opinion.
I prefer “hey brochachos”