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To Democrat friends: what do you think about ‘cancel culture’? Do you think it’s real? Is it exaggerated? Want to hear your thoughts for my own learning.

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I guess first question is what do you consider cancel culture so we're all talking about the same thing.

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I will echo PWC1's question. But while we get that answer I will say, these days the term "cancel culture" is used by conservatives to complain that people dont support the things they do and that makes them sad. To me its a non issue.

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“Cancel culture” is the other side of capitalism that conservatives dont like. People choose who/what to spend their money on. Corporations choose to employ people that are value-add to their organization. If someone does or says something that reduces or damages their commercial viability, it reflects/spreads to the employing corporation. Meaning people will choose not to give their business to those corporations. So the corporations that “cancel” people are doing so to protect their business. If you have a problem with cancel culture, then you are telling me that you have views that are opposite of the general public.

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If we are talking about actively looking at someone’s Twitter from 10 years ago to find a mildly insensitive comment to blast someone to boost your woke score, then I think it’s stupid. Even Barack Obama talks about how dumb it is. If it’s merely someone boycotting a product they don’t like, then so be it, that isn’t exclusive to one side.

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My conservative neighbour kept misbehaving with my Mexican landscaper guys for non-issues. Eventually I had to interfere. Now we don’t talk to our racist conservative neighbors. Other nearby families also cancelled them. There is nothing wrong with cancelling people for their deeds

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Stay away from people who fly the Trump flag. They can be dangerous

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I was just talking with Colin Kaepernick, Kathy Griffith, and The Dixie Chicks about this very topic between our 1619 Project discussion group and watching Gwen Berry in the Hammer Throw. 🤔 They assured me that "Cancel Culture" is totally just a liberal phenomenon, and that conservatives enjoy free speech and differences of opinion.

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I don't eat at Chick-fil-A. I really enjoy their food, but my tween daughter identifies as LGBTQ+ and communicated to me that she would appreciate it if I didn't eat there. Out of respect for my daughter and her feelings, I don't eat there. I don't think this is a toxic problem. I think sexual "conservatism" is far more toxic than me not eating fried chicken.

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Good for you. I stopped buying Nike products after they backed kapernick. There are other brands / business I avoid as well…. All choice that aligns with beliefs

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OP, the term “cancel culture” is too amorphous to be meaningful. If you want to talk about something specific — such as removing confederate statutes, social media bans, moving the All Star Game, or wherever else you have in mind — please ask about that.

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I’ll give you how I define cancel culture - it’s a culture in which people are routinely disgraced for saying / doing things that are neither (a) illegal nor (b) directly relevant to their jobs, but are unpopular enough to raise an uproar and cause problems for their employer or business partners, leading them to be forced out. This describes American culture overall (not specifically left or right) since roughly the advent of Twitter. It is not the creation of any political party, but political factions sometimes participate in it. It’s really more a result of mob psychology in digital social networks, where outrage spreads like wildfire and mercy is uncool. For the very worst offenders, its outcomes can feel justified, but often they are disproportionate - taking someone’s worst lapse of judgement and branding them with it forever. It’s generally terrible, but now that Pandora’s box has been opened, it’s unlikely to go away unless social media as we know it disappears, disrupted by some other mega trend. Having politicians blame each other for it, or start muddying the meaning of the phrase by using it to mean other things, will do nothing to solve it.

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I didn’t include being accused of criminal activity without actually being charged or convicted. I hadn’t even been thinking of those in the same category, though perhaps we do need another name for that category as its a pretty large one as well.

I think it’s overblown by whomps getting their panties in a bunch. It’s nothing new - remember, conservatives have been cancelling things likely longer since before the dems - teletubbies, Harry Potter, first person shooter video games, Warcraft, Lord of the rings, cabbage patch kids, AND … Colin kapernick, nike, SNL, on and on and on….. To suggest it’s something new is ludicrous, to suggest it’s something endemic only to dems is idiotic.

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Toxic and counter productive to progress and making people aware of social issues. Cancel culture only serves to harden and repress problematic viewpoints. Any time you try to forcibly repress something it comes back with a vengeance.

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Sc1, can you elaborate

It’s another made up nebulous phenomena grouping together things that shouldn’t to drive whataboutisms. Boycotts are real and powerful. There is good proof apartheid in SA would have stayed without it. Voting with your wallet is the most powerful thing most can do. Sleeping Giants mastered this organizing to get like minded people to vote to get to end some terrible stuff. When those you disagree with don’t make money they get constrained and they start to listen. Kevin spacey molested children. It’s not cancelling them to say hey, just don’t want to watch this persons films because of it. That’s not canceling them it’s just having a conscious.

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It’s real and conservatives love doing it themselves. They are the OG cancellers

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Cancel culture is like CRT in that it’s not exactly real and can be applied to whatever conservatives feel like complaining about in the moment.

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Social ostracism, the real basis of cancel, is practiced by virtually everyone on the planet (goes double for anyone who lived through high school). Moreover it’s as ardently practiced by both sides of the ideological divide for exactly the same reasons and reflecting the same underlying psychologies and objectives. When people at CPAC this weekend called Biden “a socialist or communist or whatever,” they were explaining why they want to “cancel him” in favor of Trump (Joe is a lot of things, but accusing him of being a radical lefty is laughable). More difficult, again on both sides, is that a lot of “cancel culture” is defensive—although you could argue about the historical legitimacy of the fear. However, to your point OP, I’m particularly mindful that conservative evangelicals, who believe America is, at its heart, a white, Christian nation, are persuaded that demographic, social, political, cultural diversity are a threat to their core values and position. As we’re seeing on issues ranging from voting rights to immigration policy, and even now to vaccination, their enablers and advocates in Congress and stare houses seem quite willing to effectively “cancel” anyone any facts supporting a different POV (thinking Liz Cheney, here). In related news, see also, attempts to “cancel” the real events of Jan 6 in favor of “nice tourists, taking pictures, in the Hall of Statuary.”

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I’m all for accountability. That applies to people who do wrong, who organize others to a cause, and repercussions when a perceived wrong is exaggerated.

I have always voted with my wallet. If a company espouses beliefs I do not hold, I choose not to do business with them. We don’t push our decision on others. They can make up their own minds. Alternatively, if we admire a company’s politics, we give them more business I think it’s called capitalism. ….

Conservatives have embodied cancel culture more than any other group in history. They are constantly outraged about everything, from music videos to critical race theory to blue hair to losing elections. Every week they try and cancel another company for not being overtly racist enough.

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