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The ease at which people call people racist on this platform is astonishing.
BA1. That’s just the thing! There shouldn’t be a single day that that is acceptable to begin with! And you may not see or hear about it daily but that doesn’t mean that its not happening, frequently. Add to the mix that I don’t know a single AA who hasn’t experienced racism so yea maybe not gunned down but racism is definitely a normal occurrence, good sir/madam
I’ve marched before. I’ve supported BLM. But something shifted recently. I’ve been deeply affected by what’s happened since George Floyd’s death. I was incensed and enraged. But then, after directly experiencing police brutality during a peaceful protest....I have been deeply and permanently emotionally changed. The terror I felt that night doesn’t come close to the experiences BIPOC have every day, but it was transformational for me in increasing my understanding of their experiences. I’m disappointed in myself that it took feeling something so viscerally to uplevel my engagement and allyship, but I am here now.
Right now...
I’m protesting in the streets of DC, talking openly about this at work to de-stigmatize protestors and quell the nonsensical antifa/looter distractions. Donating to a new BIPOC focused legal or community building org every day. Committed to no non-essential spending this month in order to do this. We are only doing delivery/takeout from our local black owned restaurants. Already had one we loved, but are engaging with these black owned and operated restaurants exclusively for the time being. Am volunteering to drive my SUV and move people/supplies around for black organizers at various protests. Wrote a POV about my experiences at the protests and a call to action for my white network on socials that has been shared fairly widely (for me anyhow), am putting in time on those comments to educate. Spreading online protest resources in my community, signal boosting local black organizers on socials. Arguing with racists on twitter in my spare time to stay energized 🖕🏻
Going forward...
Always been an active voter in every election and a political junkie so I am in the process of recentering my political focus on local/state candidates, orgs, and actions which will work to defund and demilitarize police. I already had problems with policing in this country (even as a never arrested, law abiding citizen - before anyone @ me)... but now I am blinded by the overwhelming problems with the entire system end to end and am aligned to radical change in this area.
Will be setting up regular recurring donations using my company donor match to an organization aligned to minority community building or legal aid. Still researching.
Have researched on systemic and historic racial injustice I’ve been compiling a book list this past week thank to some great resources going around. All are going to the top of my reading list.
Volunteering and/or donating to voter registration efforts and get out the vote efforts in black and minority communities as November approaches. Poll monitor volunteer.
Also want to get involved somehow with efforts focused on absentee voting, voter access, free and fair elections, etc.
Compiling more as we go here but that’s what I’ve got so far.
It’s cool OP you are justified in your skepticism bc this platform can be full of trash and bs (lol at the racists in this thread already) I am for real with my comment tho. I’m no special or amazing ally, but I want other white people to know what I’m doing, maybe it could spur them to action or give ideas. Just little things I’ve said or talked about in my network have already caused people to share that they are taking an action, whether donating or protesting. Several told me they read my protest POV to their boomer parents and opened a dialogue for the first time ever on race. We can all have these impacts just as an individual. I am hoping to get ideas from this thread myself so thank you for opening a dialogue 💜
I was always an outspoken person, liberal family, and politically active. But I went to HS in a southern super conservative white area and then a very big preppy southern school for college. Minimal exposure to different types of people. I was REALLY BEHIND on life experiences and woefully sheltered. Cast my first presidential vote for Obama and will never forgot the incredible celebration and energy that night, and the day of his inauguration in DC.
Luckily I got a job traveling, saw a lot of the world fast and ended up in DC later. Being at the epicenter of politics helped. Living in this city for the incredible Obama years helped. The women’s march in 2017 helped - and getting my ass handed to me for not understanding what intersectional really meant helped. Being an ignorant white feminist... I did a lot of my big fking up and then ally growth during that time. Was hella blessed with an amazing politically active Latinx BFF who I learned so much from. So I feel like I have a little bit of a head start in the ally category and I need to cash in on that and reach back for white folks because black folks got better shit to do than deal with our ignorance, especially rn.
Number one thing this has shown me is how dumb our media and politicians are
I’m with you on this!
I’ll be honest, this movement has given me an opportunity to internally reflect on every time I was ever intentionally or unintentionally racist. And with this reflection, I know what I can do and how to act differently so I am anti-racist. I have a lot of guilt on my past behavior and am trying to correct my wrongs. I am deeply sorry and embarrassed, but vow to act better towards the black community.
@D1, that’s a great step forward.
As an Asian woman I refuse to let racist jokes/comments slide anymore in professional settings. I’m very outspoken and unafraid to straight up tell someone when something they say is distasteful or offensive in settings outside of work.
However as an analyst I find myself letting those kind of jokes and comments slide at work when they come from people who are higher up than me and I sometimes even go along with them so people will like me. This was something I already wanted to change but now I’m committed to seeing it through and I already know where a few bridges will be burned.
SC6 - being interested in people has nothing to do with race or privelege. I happen to be a Black woman. Now, good day to your foolish assumptions!
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I have approached everyone I meet with the same level of respect and will continue to do so, so I don’t think it will change me as a person. I’m not going to dedicate my life to activism just because this happened and I was born white. I didn’t choose my race, much the same way you didn’t choose yours and I haven’t contributed to systemic racism, so I feel no moral duty to advocate for a cause that isn’t mine. I have no white guilt.
I think justice should be served when bad people commit crimes, including the police. Period.
Truthfully, I think most of this is a big media play. Hell, rioters (and I will use the term rioters out of respect for the peaceful protestors) killed a black cop and it hasn’t gotten any attention. It is not black vs. white, it has been politicized to be people vs. police and state. Which is funny, because you’ll see that both parties are now pushing for more government control, only this time the right is being more overt.
If it has changed me at all, it has shown me to not get caught in media hype and to continue to think for myself.
Analyst 2 — agree, the video description explicitly states it’s not meant to be a racial commentary. I think it’s a good example of how privilege can take different forms, and we should all be mindful that race and class are closely aligned in the US
Chief
1. I realized that it’s not enough to be quietly non-racist. I need to be vocally anti-racist.
2. I realized that my community (Asian immigrant) is highly divided in their understanding of BLM. I personally also went through the journey of asking “why can’t we say all lives matter” a few years ago to understanding the situation now. And I wish more of fellow Asians and immigrants could come around.
3. I will continue to try and have civil discourse and seek to influence others, one conversation at a time.
4. I need to continue to examine myself for unconscious biases and ask myself if I could do better.
Ya love to see it.
Rising Star
This may not be the answer you’ll want to hear OP, but I’ll respond honestly...
I’ve always been supportive of BLM and recognized systematic targeting of black men by the police as an issue. I have been outraged by it.
But I always thought it wouldn’t personally affect me if I had an encounter with the police. As a non-black person, I personally wouldn’t get beaten up.
But seeing these lawless police brutality videos against unarmed protestors (NOT looters) the last few days has made me realize that this is a systemic problem in police forces, their cultures, operating practices and incentive structures with police unions. I mean they can literally push over a 75 year old white man and have him crack his skull on the concrete and say he tripped, and get away with it. If they do that to an old white man, what are they doing to young black men and adolescents and getting away with?
So it’s kind of opened my eyes to a wider systemic issue for which black people have been disproportionately victimized because of inherent prejudices etc, but at the cost of diluting the racial component of their intent. If that makes sense.
That video out of Buffalo was absolutely disgraceful and painful to watch. I heard the victim is stable but in critical condition and it turns out he was just attempting to return a police helmet he found. I emailed the Buffalo PD and signed a petition for an investigation to be launched.
I am an immigrant so I can’t vote until I become a citizen but I have made the decision to support more black owned businesses. It will primarily be restaurants but I will also look for black owned clothing, jewelry and makeup businesses.
Jewelry - check out Soko! I did some consulting work with them in Kenya and Michelle Obama wore some of their pieces on the cover of Essence
As a white guy, that when looking back 10 years from now: who I helped and what I did to support is more important than how big I grew my brokerage
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Similarly as before, to be honest. I'm white and grew up next to black neighbors. Some of my fondest childhood memories are of playing together in our neighborhood. Our parents were friends and demonstrated love and acceptance on a daily basis. My best friend from high school to this day is also black, and we celebrate our differences. I married an immigrant from east Asia, and we are raising our biracial children to love other humans and be allies to people of all races. All of my siblings' children are biracial.
I strongly believe that change starts at home and goes on to affect the community. It's our responsibility to raise this next generation right as we continue to learn ourselves.
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I was brought up the same way. Our upbringing was love and acceptance of all people. It was hard as an adult to learn that not all people are good people at their core.
I still accept people who they are but if their core being is as rotten as an apple I don’t associate with them at all. Part of my divorce was my ex and his family were racist pigs to anyhow who wasn’t white. I would get Indian food and jerk face would make rude comments. I asked them to not speak like that in front of me but I was like talking to a wall. So when the time was right - I left him and the racist family behind.
Yeah I’m not going to change anything. I’ll continue to treat all people with respect whatever their race. I don’t contribute to racism and definitely will never apologize for being white.
My individual existence doesn’t make life harder for other races. I was born white and I had no control over that. I’m allowed to simply not be racist without having to go and march/protest.
I have plenty of POC/minority/LGBT friends, usually from privileged backgrounds, who confided in me that they have/plan to capitalize on any advantages the system offers them (i.e. diversity initiatives, affirmative action, racial hiring quotas, etc). “Doesn’t hurt to be black,” as several friends have happily mentioned when discussing business school applications. What do I say in response? More power to them!!! Use whatever advantages you have. I certainly plan on enjoying whatever privileges my “whiteness” affords me. Not going to apologize for it.
Wow wow wow
To be honest, watching the aftermath of the protests, I’m not hopeful at all and I’m concerned that things are only going to get worse from here on out. I’m skeptical that the protests did much to change a lot of people’s beliefs but rather just deepened existing convictions. Floyd’s murder deepened feelings of outrage for BLM allies and riots / looting have further cemented the beliefs of those opposed.
Moreover, the rhetoric is getting more and more extreme and there’s little attempt to find any common ground. I’ve heard so many people say that they honestly believe that all police are scum, which is an extreme generalization that is certainly false. I’ve also seen people try to paint all protestors as rioters / looters which is also certainly false. There’s a whole lot of “you’re either with us or you’re against us” talk flying around and it’s eliminating all opportunity for constructive and rational dialogue on how to fix the problem.
It feels like everything’s just devolving into identity politics and it’s a losing game for everyone. Regardless of who “wins” in the next election, polarization will prevent anything from getting done and whatever does get done will just be overturned by the opposition the next time they’re in power. Democrats may be convinced that the tide is turning for them and that demographics are on their side, but as the last election showed, white conservative voters are still a powerful voting bloc and I’m not certain that the next election won’t just be a repeat of Humphrey vs Nixon.
I’m pessimistic that the protests have done anything to contribute to lasting change and it only had the effect of encouraging extremists on both sides and raising the stakes for the next general election.
Correct. The only thing we can do is push for people to get involved in local, state, and federal politics. Without that, it’s impossible that anything will change.
I was hit with a rubber bullet at a protest, saw first hand how aggressive and nonsensical and violent the police were towards peaceful protestors, and was honestly lucky to have gotten home that night.
Then the business next to my apartment was set on fire, and spread to my apartment. My apartment was looted, cars parked were set on fire. I lost everything. I have insurance, but the business next to me does not.
I still support the cause against racism, and obviously separate peaceful and respectful protestors from the rioters that set my community and home ablaze, but I can’t shake the anger and hatred I have for the rioters that did this. You can say it’s ‘just stuff’ but it isn’t - it was my home. It was my (BLACK) landlord’s livelihood.
I am so glad to know that you are safe. I’m praying for you. I can’t imagine how your feeling, and I hope you are able to repair and rest ❤️
White male and have been thinking the same thing regarding how does this change my day to day or perspective on the world. To be honest, I don’t know. I was raised by a dad that participated in voter registration during the civil rights movement. I haven’t really done anything.
I feel that this movement is different than others. I feel guilty for the significant privilege inherent in my skin color. I worry that this will just pass with no change and that I’m not doing anything about it.
I wept in a conversation with my wife while discussing how we don’t really have to teach our sons how to speak to police but her coworker does
My wifes side of the family is more of the “Fox News” type if you know what I mean and I can tell that this movement is changing their mindset for the better.
I just don’t know what I can do besides “staying woke” which I often feel is just virtue signaling. I don’t really have any black friends but feel anguish over the criminal justice and economic policies that continue to unjustly harm people.
TLDR: this movement has changed me. I don’t know what that means from an actionable standpoint but I know it means something. I’m just sad
Chief
Thanks for the tip on the police unionization podcast on NPR. I dug it out and will listen tomorrow: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-indicator-from-planet-money/id1320118593?i=1000476737940
White fish here my trick is to not really care what people think about me. I'm really not a fan of people posting to fit in or not be shamed so instead of focusing on social media I spent the time to understand the issues and try to understand all viewpoints. It's pretty easy to get caught in an echo chamber but if you really want to understand something you really need to get out of your comfort zone and have those tough conversations.
Rising Star
All Black Lives Matter
Rising Star
Very disturbed that this BLM movement has been hijacked by marxists and anti-capitalists. I support black people and stand against racism - but I cannot support a movement that stands against capitalism. Capitalism has been the single greatest force for raising people out of poverty and improving lives in the history of mankind.
I mean I can go into how capitalism has contributed to so much wealthy inequality and has left so many people homeless and in deeper poverty. But I won’t get get sucked into the merits and demerits of capitalism here. The protests are in response to police brutality and you don’t need to believe in a certain economic model to condemn that.
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I’m white and all I’ll say is this, if you could go back to birth and be born into any race? Which would it be? Almost certain the answer is white. That means most of you quite plainly know what is happening and being experienced, you know you don’t want it for yourself but you’re willing to be passive and allow it to happen for others. That’s the saddest thing here, there is a lack of humanity in all those being naive to thinking that being white isn’t a privilege and all those JUST focusing on the riots (which by the way, I do not condone). Look at the fact that I could own and trade black slaves in the past and tell me how that starting point hasn’t led to clear imbalances in racial equality. More work is needed and I am willing to put in the efforts beyond lip service.
Some of the responses here are so tone-deaf. People refusing to acknowledge pain of others because “they didn’t contribute to it” is just sad. Someone made the protests against police brutality as an attack on capitalism. Just wow!
Sadly I bet these people unfollowed after saying their two cents because they don’t want to be “brainwashed”🤦🏻♀️