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True or False: I feel my teacher evaluations help me learn and grow as an educator.

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They would be effective if it wasn’t so subjective!! It literally depends on the person who is evaluating you and their understanding of the framework/assessment criteria. Of course personal biases also weigh in. But I have been teaching for 8+ years and according to who is evaluating me it changes. I asked “why did I score a ———- in that area.” Or “what could I do to move up?” The responses were so different per evaluator and were completely subjective based on what they thought the criteria was saying. For example, one criteria under environment was that the teacher has a culturally responsive/rich classroom. So based on their understanding, limited or not, that was how they scored.

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It depends on the administration. I’ve had 2 principals who were trained as high school history teachers and knew little about elementary reading and didn’t want to learn. Getting feedback on a phonics lesson was pretty funny. The two principals I had that were trained in elementary school gave some great feedback . It really Is all subjective even though we use the Danielson Rubric. I only received effective on differentiating my lesson because i only had 2 students. The whole lesson was differentiated for them specifically . That’s why I only had 2 students. I used to stress . Now I just smile and say thank you and as long as I’m at least effective I sign it.

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I had it used on me when I had one student. I got deducted for classroom environment because my word wall didn’t have anything for the letter x (he was a kindergarten ELL student with a language disorder). Another admin had looked at that word wall and told me to keep it simple and that it looked fine. I also got deducted for not having objectives up for a class that didn’t meet that day.

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False. Just one more hoop to jump through.

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Yes it does the majority of the time actually

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Mine are usually not helpful but I don’t feel it’s because of the admin. I teach a very uncommon class (mod/severe categorically autism SPED) so my evaluations are usually very vague or generalized since admin doesn’t really know what to look for. My students are severely disabled so we don’t adhere to CCSS and we don’t do traditional lessons. It’s hard to make the standard district evaluation work for me and my class.

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I feel the same way. My class is not the standard and doesn’t fit the standard model so they don’t really know how to do reviews so to speak so mine are not always helpful. It is what it is. Kind of the nature of the beast.

True- I feel lucky to had a very fair and understanding admin who used to be a classroom teacher herself. She sees evaluations as ways to grow her teachers and not as a "gotcha". We work together on improvement.

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I am happy you had this experience. It is a real blessing.

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At best, I have occasionally had a good talk after an observation, but my summative evaluations each year are a joke. Just like school improvement plans, MTSS paperwork, etc. most administrators I've worked with treat it as another box to check to get through the year. And for all the public talk about "the data" I've yet to have a productive data conversation with a principal. That's my long way of saying: false.

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Yeah, having a principal like that is a big advantage. I did have a principal a number of years back that did similar. Knew that we had a challenging group and I got saddled with the most challenging kids. The proficiency numbers were not what we hoped, but the growth measure, especially in some of subgroups, was great. But I find admins like this are few and far between.

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I feel the evaluations we had about 15 years ago where we and evaluator picked strengths, weaknesses, and specific goals were useful. Now, with the 40 page modified Danielson, not so much.

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In my 13th year as a teacher, after 2 teacher of the year awards, and never scoring below a proficient, I was given 6 proficients, and the rest were not demonstrated. I provided a 20 page rebuttal with files, student work, etc. and the observer would not go back and change any of them. I stress out every single time I am observed. NOT a helpful tool even when it is used as it is intended.

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False. Been teaching more than 20 years and at best, I get a tip or two. Other than that, I feel they are more of a hassle than a valuable tool.

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Sad. Imagine where all the observation times could have been spent wiser. Thanks for sharing.

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Only if the evaluator is accomplished. I’ve asked for clarification on some things specifically when they stated there was lack of something, and realized the evaluator (admin) didn’t quite know what the term they used meant.

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Yup. I had an evaluator who had no teaching experience. They had only ever been a school counselor. When I asked what their specialty was, so I could pick their brain for ideas, I realized they never taught before. Then that made for a contentious relationship after that...I think because I discovered that information.

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Mine is too inexperienced to really know what to look for. She barely spent any time in the classroom just on the climb to a higher admin position.

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Yes and No Parts are not bad. I don't like paperwork just to have paperwork. I have work with teachers that look great on paper but couldn't teach there way out of a wet paper bag, same thing goes the other way. I'm also a PE teacher and a good 1. Our elevations are the same as the classroom teachers. We don't teach them in the same way. I have gotten down graded for not checking all the boxes on my elevations for thing that don't easily apply to PE.

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I believe that teacher evaluations DO indeed help us. A person can get "too comfortable" with how they do things. HOWEVER, having to fill out the Learning Plan, along with administrators coming in to evaluate is unnecessary. We have too much paperwork and this paperwork takes away from our teaching time. Unless you are a teacher that takes everything home and works until 1:00 a.m. every day.

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True. I think you get out of them what you want to get out of them.

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There is truth in this statement.

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False. Although I find the feedback useful, it’s just one more thing that takes time away from my students, who need my help. I chose a profession I love and would literally do without pay!! I worked hard to learn the skills I needed to teach and I spent thousands of dollars on my degree!! For heavens sake leave us alone and let us do our job!!

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Agreed.

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Really depends on the evaluator.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣Been teaching over 30 years. PreK through college level. Lots of elementary and middle school experience. Evaluations are a joke

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Ok My evaluations are all completely made up. My administration asked me for what I do in the classroom and then creates a fairytale not based on anything that is happening in my room. They don’t care nobody cares. I am an excellent teacher, well accomplished. And I was teacher of the year. But these are all just hoops we jump through

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Most evaluations are done by people who haven’t been in the classroom for 10 to 20 years and have no idea what it’s like to teach with today’s curriculum in the current atmosphere. There seems to be a growing trend in education to base evaluation’s on budgetary or political considerations. I’ve seen many districts around here automatically give poor evaluation’s to teachers were very good teachers and have multiple credentials but keep pips and stips (uncredentialed teachers in the program) because they can pay them half as much.

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So if we being honest my administration never even set in my classroom to complete my evaluation. So I honestly don’t pay much attention to it. They say they have done x number of observation of my classroom but in reality they are lucky to even see me in that hall. Most it is because I teach a self contained classroom for sped.

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I strongly agree. I am sure it will best if it were done weekly.

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If it was a weekly pop in visit, getting a rapport going, being visible and supportive. Maybe. Perhaps it would make it less taboo...

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True. Constructive criticism is applied.

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I have felt for years that I have an awesome administration, but after reading the comments. I know I do.

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