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Welp that was the last GSB date, no dice 🤪
^ Booz has a point - I think he means respect internally, not outside the firm. My friends at BBs have said the same thing. Generally, I’ve heard that the pre-MBAs were better at the technical parts of the job. Post-MBAs weren’t as good managerially as one would have hoped and tended to be cocky on top of that - so in those instances, that what drove less respect. It’s not about where you went to school once you get there - it’s about how good you are and what your attitude is.
Was at a MM and best friend at B.B., having all protected weekend in Consulting is expected, in ib it’s unexpected if you have a free weekend. Friend at B.B. said that they’re more likely to have it but still rare, it’s only common at GS. We both were working around 80 a week and 35% of the time was literally timing 100/week. Either way, no one respects the post MBA hire in IB unless the person was coming from like a humble pre MBA background.
Bain1 on the money, no analysts respected the associates, we were way better at technicals and after 4 months were just as good soft skills - and didn’t need to get an MBA to do it (not what I believe but that seemed like the common saying throughout IB). And the motto was that if you’re good, you go to PE or elsewhere, if you’re bad you get weeded out, if you’re mediocre you stay long term.
Culture is wack over there bruh.
Worked in IB at a BB. They vary but will probably be 60-70 in a chill week, ~75 in an average week, and when it’s busy, 90-100 or more. And busy weeks happen a good amount
Also want to add that if you’re good (and are fighting for top bucket bonuses) you’ll probably have a lot of 90-100+ weeks because a lot of the VPs/MDs will always try to get you on their pitch/deal
Pepper your angus
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I used to work in economic consulting as an analyst (e.g. Cornerstone Research, Analysis Group) and see some parallels between that culture and banking.
In economic consulting, the analysts are consistently very sharp and have a strong work ethic. They also have great exit options (mostly in terms of grad school though many have started to transition to tech companies and the like).
The associate hires on the other hand—especially those from PhD programs—often had poor managerial and even Excel skills. They seemed sort of useless for their first year or so. The MBA hires were much better since they often had pre mba experience in economic consulting, accounting, and engineering.
Anyway, the points people made above regarding internal levels of respect and exit options for analysts/associates in IB are totally believable to me.
I heard none do, but im curious to hear other’s stories. Buy side is usually for analysts 2 years out and the MBA as the last chance.
Agree with everything that’s been said. I did a summer at a BB in a traditional coverage group (3 months is enough to get to know a few full time analysts/associates well) and moved to consulting post undergrad. Most analysts scoff at the notion of staying and getting promoted (because they all see how shitty the job is, and it meant you couldn’t get a PE exit), and there’s nothing more painful (for analysts, but also seniors) than getting staffed with an incompetent associate (or worse, summer associate) coming from some top bschool that felt like he/she could run the place. While us summer analysts knew nothing, we at least knew that we knew nothing. The best associates are the ones that don’t tout the fact they have a nice MBA, and grind just like everyone else because they know the analyst promotes who don’t have an MBA are far stronger technically than they are (at the beginning). I also think being an associate in IB is one of the worst jobs in the world because you have to manage up and downwards in an industry where the culture more often than not is pretty bad, work horrible hours when it’s about time to start thinking about raising a family, and don’t get the potential upside of attractive exits that analysts do. Analysts suck it up because there’s a light at the end of the tunnel. For many associates, I don’t think there is. I am also biased because clearly I left IB, but that’s just my 2 cents ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@mckinsey1 you did IB post MBA? But now work at McKinsey? Why the switch?
C1 - pretty sure McK1 did IB pre-MBA and switched to consulting post-MBA
Hahaha. BoozAllen1 - wtf? So, someone who went to a top 10 MBA and ended up at GS as an Associate in IBD won’t be respected? GTFOH, bruhhh
What work so they do? IB guys talk about long hours but what are you doing day to day?
Very helpful — sounds like a tough culture. That said, still a great profession. Do post-MBA associates have a realistic shot at buy-side exit opps? I know pre-MBA obviously get plenty of looks, but curious if post-MBA do as well