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We keep talking about diversity and inclusiveness. Women's rights and empowering minorities. How come I see so few AfroAmerican and Hispanics in Big4. As compared to Whites. ????

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All the points above were great (other than the one pushing for fried chicken and alcohol as a diversity grouping LOL). I would just add that EY has a "Diversity Mentoring Program" that I believe aims to maximize the likelihood that the 5 percent of incoming minority staff stick it out for the long haul. As noted above, you cannot control the supply of candidates. But you can go the extra mile to make it as comfortable and encouraging for the limited supply of African American/Hispanic entry level staff to get them to stay. That reaps future rewards as they (hopefully) encourage the next generation in their families/communities to choose the accounting route too. To be clear: I agree that only qualified candidates should be hired. I think it is wrong to hire unqualified candidates just to be able to cite diversity stats in your entering class of Staff 1's. But we must recognize that once we hire qualified minorities they face a very uphill battle "feeling comfortable at the office" and we should work to reduce that via all the diversity initiatives we can come up with. JMHO as a non-minority (although my ethnicity probably does make me feel like an outsider myself notwithstanding my white skin - that yarmulke on my head is usually the first thing you notice about me when you see me).

I suppose I don't know why I included I was female in my post because I don't know that I made a judgment necessarily, perhaps just providing a frame of reference. I'll make one now. I think the accounting partnership is heavily weighted to white males, which as argued above could be largely due to recruiting 15-20 years ago. Putting that aside, becoming partner is a much bigger deal than having a balanced new hire class. Is it the opinion of the fine people of fb that an accounting firm would be more biased towards women (or other minority groups) for the purpose of touting their D&I stats? My initial opinion is that a woman would have the upper hand in an "all things equal" ... or maybe not so equal (but obviously not to the point she is unqualified) situation.

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@OP the firms can only hire the students in the pipeline getting accounting degrees at target colleges. The answer is that blacks and other minorities are under represented in accounting programs. Why aren't blacks studying accounting? Answer that question and you'll likely answer the question of why there's low diversity in B4.

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Tsk tsk those pesky whites

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If blacks and hispanics make up 5% of accounting students and also make up 5% of new hires, that would be proportional representation. I think the issue is likely much larger and social economic. Many of the youth growing up in poorer areas and lower on the socio economic spectrum don't have the same guidance and support systems driving them towards accounting as a profession.

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We had an 'expanding the definition of diversity' moment at our last market team meeting where two white dudes came up and talked about how one was from the south (we are the Wash metro office) and how the other's parents were divorced, how he had a stepparent and how his siblings were all girls. Can someone explain to me how this is a facet of diversity? If I grew up with10 siblings (I don't) because not a lot of people do, am I diverse now? Where do we draw the line of what 'diverse' means and how do we make sure we are not killing true diversity by saturating the definition of diversity?

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I do find thefirms to be quite diverse, however. When I was at B4 there were many employees of non-white ethnicities. There were plenty of Asians, Indians, white people from other countries. Diversity goes beyond just blacks and hispanics.

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Blacks make up 25% of the population, but only 5% of CPAs. IMO you need to start at lower levels to solve the problem. You need to reach out to black youth and have them start considering accounting as a profession, starting them down the path of studying accounting in order for them to be qualified for employment by a CPA firm. The firms can't hire students that don't study accounting.

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I'm Hispanic and I've thought about this issue a ton specifically when I've encountered times where I'm the only Latina in a room and have not much in common with my colleagues. I have conversed this topic with others and have come to a conclusion. The root of this issue comes down to a matter of supply. Think about it...yes, the number of hispanics graduating from high school has increased. And yes, the number of hispanics graduating college has increased as well. However, this increase is not significant enough for diversity to be evident in public accounting...or corporate America for that matter. I think it'll take another decade for that to happen...

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As a black woman I went to one of those "urban schools" some of you guys mentioned. Unfortunately, we aren't taught that we can be successful in corporate America. None of my teachers in HS ever mentioned corporate America as a viable option ever!. When I told my father I wanted to major in business he told me to major in something safe and he thought it was a bad idea. Until high schools in "urban" areas start teaching us that we can be successful in different fields then maybe there will be more black accountant. If we want more diversity in corporate settings we need to start teaching HS students that yes there IS success in marketing, finance, accounting, coding, info technology and much more.

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I'm pretty tired of diversity. Can you just give me the best and smartest individuals? Whether they're all African American, Hispanic, Asian, White, or some label they haven't even come up with I just want the best. The fact that there are "diversity" champions in the CRTs is a bit ridiculous because I don't want to be promoted and don't want individuals being promoted because they're "diverse". I want people to be promoted and earn their rating because they're good.

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Where my NABA peeps at 👀 Totally agree, as professionals we need to help those after us. Programs like ACAP in HS and NABA in college. All Big 4 have D&I recruiters. Think things are heading in the right direction!

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Eventually we need to start seeing people as people and stop focusing on race. I want to work somewhere with intelligent people who help make me a better professional and that I genuinely enjoy being around. I couldn't care less if they are white, black, Asian, etc... to me a persons character outweighs their skin color.

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Asians always seem to be left out of the minority discussion. Must be because they marry a lot of whites.

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Once basic requirements are met (GPA, CPA, etc.), let's just honest here, being white helps when you are interviewing or up for promotion, when you have things in common with partners who are also white. Wash metro here as well, I'd say our new hire/intern class is diverse, but once you get to manager level, not many stay.

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@M1 - in my experience accounting firms don't do much recruiting at HBCUs. So that's kind of a circular argument, where firms recruit does have an impact on the demographics of students.

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And I think we need to expand our definition of diversity beyond blacks and hispanics. Asians are diverse. Indians are diverse. Foreign whites are diverse. When you include all of these the firms are more diverse than you may think.

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They are still minorities. Are we segregating minorities now? Does a Chinese immigrant not deserve the same opportunities as a Mexican immigrant?

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I do notice a lot of the firms have charity programs, but most of these are geared towards charities like helping the homeless or things like that. There are not many geared towards mentoring minority youth in poor areas and exposing them to accounting as a profession. The firms should really do more of this community out reach. That would get more minorities into college accounting programs, which would lead to more in recruiting pools, which leads to more hired.

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I find my office to be diverse until you get to the folks with offices where it gets clearly very less diverse both racially and in gender.

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Because blacks and hispanics don't major in what is required.

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During recruiting you always here, "we can teach people accounting, we just want to work with someone we like." People are just more comfortable with their own race by and large. I don't think that means people don't want diversity, but when push comes to shove people pick what is familiar. I do think a conscience effort to give diverse grads a chance is important.

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