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1. We allocate police resources based on areas with the most "crime"
2. The more police are in an area, the higher chance someone gets arrested (e.g. your odds of getting pulled over for speeding or doing a rolling stop is directly proportional to the number of police)
3. Men commit the vast majority of crimes
4. Low income areas with increased police presence significantly increases the percentage of men sent to jail
5. Children who grow up without active parental guidance (e.g. single mother working, father in jail) are far more likely to grow up and commit crimes
6. Return to #1
Chief
EY7 - I think there might be a disconnect on what we mean when we say 'systemic or institutional' racism. Its really policy, practice, or structure that places minority groups at a disadvantage.
When we look at the black community, they are far more likely to be lower income (see above about 400+ years of not being able to hold any wealth). If you look at the US poverty rate by race, its ~25% native American, 21% black, 18% Hispanic, 10% white, and 10% Asian. As a result, structural policies that disadvantage people of lower income and prevents them from having an equal chance of exiting poverty can be correlated with the term "institutional racism".
You have a system that is predominately designed to keep lower income people poor + unequal enforcement of policies by individuals and you get systematic racism
Hey OP. Here’s my first pass at this:
1. Housing disparities
2. Lack of Economic opportunities
3. Lack of School funding
4. Health Disparities/Public Health
5. Prison industrial complex
6. School to prison pipeline
7. The defunding of HBCUs
8. Generational poverty
9. Biased Policing
10. The enduring effects from excluding Blacks from upward mobility and participating in the global economy
11. Disparities in sentencing
12. Employment discrimination
EY7- Zzzzzzzzzz
School funding
It is based on income. But our history has allowed white people to accumulate wealth, which has obviously impacted income. I guess the remedy would be to re-budget funding so that schools that need it most get the most funding. That might mean that people pay taxes for schools that are not in their district....?
Rising Star
Too lazy to google?
Enthusiast
Red lining...
Enthusiast
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the Chicago article, but doesn’t it state lenders were audited and found no racism in the treatment of applications? It did state black people were less likely to get a loan but due to credit score. There was that one anecdotal story at the end, but it is an anecdotal event which can’t be used as a basis for the whole population. I think I’d argue the answer isn’t that it’s current systemic racism but lingering effects from past systemic racism
Conversation Starter
Remember, institutional racism isn't about overtly targeting minorities, but about the outcome being different for minorities.
Like stop and frisk. In NYC, 90% of those stopped and frisked were black or Latino. White people were exceedingly rarely stopped, even if in the same neighborhood doing the same things.
Enthusiast
Isn’t this more a cause of bad actors within the system than an actual racist policy?
Chief
One of the elements of systemic/structural racism is that systems may not necessarily be set up to discriminate about minorities, but they still do because they perpetuate a history of discrimination that still has not been reckoned with.
Also, structural racism refers to the way institutions interact in order to perpetuate discrimination. A common example used is our system of using property taxes to fund schools. While not explicitly discriminatory, because institutional racism in housing and lending have led to housing segregation and a higher rate of poverty among Black families, it has led to poorly-funded schools in Black areas.
Pro
In this thread, people point out plenty of examples and OP argues against all of them. Shocking.
The fact that you are a CEO and don’t understand what systemic racism is, it’s origins, and lingering affects is ridiculous. You are expected to lead, yet seek information that is easily accessible from MULTIPLE resources on this very topic, from men and women that have committed their lives to writing about it. The American school system did a number on most of us.
We hire people off of GPA alone, without taking into context a) full time work demands or b) personal situation, which tends to disproportionally impact BIPOC. We hire "token" individuals to have a seat at the table but not a voice in the room, and look no further than the fact we have checked a box off. We tend not to hire at HBCUs. We expect people to negotiate their own wages, decreasing parity and benefiting aggressive individuals (typically, white men), not understanding the cultural context of feeling lucky to have a job at all or of being told to hide aggression, hide ambition, you cannot be seen as "another angry black man." These are things we can change at the business level.
We move out of integrated neighborhoods for our kids to attend a "better" school. We refuse to allow apartment complexes to be built in unused lots or allow public transportation to reach our neighborhoods, because that would "lower our property value" and bring in "undesirable people." These are things we can change at the individual level,by being more involved with our local communities and voting to receive such things.
(I am saying "we" as a generic white wealthy privelege term; if you do not do these things, please feel free to not include yourself in such a we, I am proud of you).
This! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve felt muted because I didn’t want to come off as the “angry black man” or the black person with “attitude problems” because I raise concerns. I always feel pressure to keep my cool, because I understand this is par for the course. Black women have it much worse. Not only do they deal with the issues I’ve mentioned, they also have to consider if their hair is acceptable in corporate America. My fiancé had deep reservations about getting braids because she was told that they were unprofessional. Black women are held to European beautiful standards to placate and appeal to white folks. From the way they dress, to the way they act, to the way they talk.
Chief
Interest rate and loan terms on schools, small businesses, and housing have been found to be biased against black vs. others considering all things equal.
Chief
But how many non-black people do you know go to HBCUs?
Inmate labor = neo slave labor
Enthusiast
Not sure but I think it might have to do with the makeup of prison officer population vs inmates?
Chief
Another example - Detroit, Michigan. 8 mile is a road (and a movie) that separates north and south Detroit. South of 8 mile, property values are incredibly low, but property tax, car insurance, home insurance, etc. are 2-3x times higher than being north of 8 mile. House prices north of 8 mile are 2-3x more expensive than the south. Its essentially a modern day version of redlining - rich people live in the north because they can afford to pay more upfront for more long term savings (e.g. car insurance, property taxes), poor people stay in the south because they can't afford to pay more today and ultimately pay more longer term to make it harder for them to ever break out of their socioeconomic status
@CEO not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the book "the law of color" gives you an overview and specific examples of systematic racism built into housing.
Chief
OP, this article is a bit on the longer side, but it describes how structural racism functions in the workplace. It also includes a detailed explanation of what structural racism is and isn’t, why may help with some of the questions you and others have been asking in these comments.
It also includes plenty of citations that you can look up if you’re interested in understanding how structural racism affects other aspects of society.
https://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/lalrev/vol74/iss4/5/
I appreciate this question. The first thing we need to do to remedy a complex problem like racism is break down into specific, actionable bits. “Systemic racism” is a fuzzy term and it’s not actionable. Let’s talk specifics!
Chief
Have you read the pdf linked in the comment immediately above yours?
Can blacks be racists?
IBM2- it just needs never ends
LMGTFY
OP. your not looking to discuss. You thesis is give me examples and I will disagree based on socio-economic or other factors.
I don’t use the term systemic racism because we are all part of the system even if we say bleep the system.
Racist policies are applied to POC at a greater rate than others and that means, yes, a racist policy will affect some poor white folk but usually POC.
Voting systems are racist in general in my opinion but the underpinning would be school funding and crime laws which were designed to target the other. Marajuana is a class 1 drug because of black people and the war on drugs, which really was the war on POC. People go to jail, you don’t discriminate against POCs.
You then target people who went to jail which was target at POCs. The goal is to separate the policy from the actual intent.
Enthusiast
Housing
Pro
AA1, your argument is systemic racism isn’t a thing. The logic you’ve used keeps addressing everything but the discourse and history of this country. Go and do some research from more than one source
Rising Star
Criminal justice system. The point isn’t that it directly targets the Black Community, but racial biases in sentencing and policing tactics disproportionately affect certain races over others. Read some of the other examples commenters have posted and it’s clear that the community is placed into this vicious cycle of poverty and incarceration. Quick summary: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52877678
NO. he did not deserve what happened. But I will not embrace someone as a hero or martyr that broke the law his entire life and was doing so during this encounter. I hope those responsible go to prison for decades but he is not someone to respect
School admissions.
Enthusiast
Do you know that a lot of colleges are not need-blind in their admissions and therefore give preference to kids whose parents can afford the full tuition? Many of the black people that go to college end up taking out student loans and never really catch up after they graduate and enter the workforce.