What are the pros and cons of starting in the middle band of your pay grade? The recruiter is telling me it’s best to start in the middle so I can have more runway. Should I push for more?

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That’s crazy. The best place to start is to max pay. Getting 1.0x vs. 0.5x is a no brainer. Don’t listen to people about working up

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Lower in the band means your raises are higher. Of course, that’s because you’re still making less than the top of the band.

Recruiter is trying to swindle you, max band with low raises is objectively better

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I had a recruiter try to sell me on that kind of shit once. Don’t listen to them it’s literally their job to hire you for cheaper

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Yes more money is good

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Then tell him this might not be the right position for you. I would think that you would be less happy if the company pushed you hard to take less money.

I am assuming that the reason you are pushing for the max in the band is that you are making at or more than the middle in your current position or you have other offers near the max. That means that other companies see your as valuable enough to warrant the max. I would go with the companies that value my contributions.

now if you are just hoping to get a 30% raise instead of 10, you can try for that but it is hard to pull off. You may be better off staying consulting until you are closer to your target pay.

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Tell him you'd love to have a ton of runway and start at the bottom of the payband... for the next level up from where they're considering you now.

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Tell them to max you snd you are not expecting any raises for few years.

Also ask them if they are okay with your mid level performance and it will only get better

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^ this.

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I just rejected an offer from a recruiter, who told me that I could make more with the bonus even though the offer was a 20K cut in base.

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Wtf don’t buy into that. Push for as much as you can get. They want to hire you for cheap...don’t fold

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There are no pros... for you. Make sure you tell the recruiter you’ll give the job 70% effort when you start, so you’ll “still have runway to grow"

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True, 50% is more accurate. But maybe OP is a go-getter

Please, using math, explain any scenario where getting incremental raises is better than being at the top and you get no raises

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Lol yes

negative: you get paid less
pro: your recruiter is happy

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One of my best buddies told me, “The recruiters job is to talk you down. Don’t fall for it!” Ask for what you WANT always!

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They’re never going to like you more than they do now. This is you’re best chance to negotiate. Go for it

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I’m wondering how may of the words of wisdom on this thread are from people who have actually been on the their side of the table, as hiring manager about to bring an ex-consultant into their new organization. In some cases, a hiring manager will take Michael Corleone’s perspective on bare-knuckled negotiation: “its strictly business.” On the other extreme, overly-aggressive negotiating tactics may brand you as a primal donna who only cares about “what’s in it for me” vs the good of the team. Btw, if you think your teammates will never find out what you’re making, you have a lot to learn about organizational behavior.

Start out by realizing that the recruiter is an irrelevant intermediary at this point. You are negotiating both your financial and inter-personal starting point with your new boss and team. Use both your IQ and EQ to strike the best balance

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Interviews are two way streets and you aren't on that company's team yet.

Every complaint about the employee can be turned around on the company. Why doesn't the company care about its employee, all about the money, so rigid in its negotiating.

The hiring manager should be trying to make the case that there are other non-salary benefit of working at the new company that outweigh any reduction in salary, not talking about paybands. And assuring the candidate that they thnk as highly of his capabilities as the old company that pays more.

it is also human nature to be unhappy if you get bargained down and know you are making 10-20% less than could for another company, unless you've been sold on some other benefit. I hired someone at a lower title than they wanted (same money) and it was really hard for them to get past it.

The workgroup will be only be upset about the new employee's if it is evidence they are underpaid. I know there is someone in my group with the same role that make 20% more than I do because they are at the top of the pay band while I am near the bottom. It doesn't cause friction because he is more experienced. If he was an external hire and the same experience, I would be more interested because it would be evidence that I could make more menu by hopping to a new company.

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You want your money now or later?

I think about this a lot and always imagine the most expensive employees going up for layoffs first. Especially if you're a mediocre or average employee

Worry about losing your job later. Get max now. OP or anyone could be fired or laid off. Bird in hand.

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money now is better than money later

a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

So what happens if you are at the top of your band but you aren’t performing at the next level to get promoted? No raise?? How does that work?

I’m wondering if part of the problem of this thread is the enduring imprint of the US assembly-line education system (originally developed to train assembly line workers:)
Age 5: enter kindergarten
Age 18: graduate from high school
Age 22: graduate from college
Age 24: complete pre-B tour of duty in consulting/finance, start MBA
Age 26: graduate from business school

After 20 years of predictable annual progress as if on rails, are people entering the unpredictable corporate world confused and disoriented?

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