What do you think about Yale and Harvard Law School pulling out of participation with US News law school ranking system?

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The rankings are stupid, at least for the top schools. The top 6 are all elite and which one you go to depends on which one(s) you got into and what you want. If you want to be a useless professor, go Yale. If you want to likely be a useless professor, but have a shot at redemption, go Stanford. If you want to demonstrate a profound inability to make good decisions in life, go to Colombia over NYU. And if you get into Harvard, that’s a hard one to turn down. Oh, yeah, there’s also University of Chicago. They should probably stay in the rankings, if only because it’s really hard not to forget about them. But, great school.

7 through 15(ish): It’s probably all about location and financial aid.

I don’t know how the rest break down, but I do know that some of the best lawyers I know went to law schools that a lot of people would look down their nose at.

Life is more complex than rankings. Fuck the rankings.

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Penn. Weird. Think of it as a decent school, but I literally don’t think I have ever run into a Penn Law grad. But, it’s kind of ringing a bell? Isn’t this stuff an example of the problem in these rankings? My recollection is that University of Chicago and University of Pennsylvania zoomed up because of library size, right? Something totally goofy like that in the age of the internet.

Columbia Law finally in its rightful place: #2

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Harvard is just bitter about being dropped in the rankings. The rankings should place more value on employment outcomes. They are acting like petulant children.

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Yale isn't really making a point about public interest. Top schools have a long standing practice of "finding" jobs for graduates who don't get hired to keep the employment numbers artificially inflated. These are often temporary jobs funded by the school, not long term JD required jobs. For example, one person in my class's post graduation job was at one of the law school's clinic, a clinic for students to earn credit during law school. I have no problem with the rankings attempting to crack down on this practice.

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a couple more and my law school will finally hit the top 100…

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It’s all because affirmative action is going away. I don’t know what the right wingers thought - that they’d get rid of AA and everything would become a meritocracy? Come on.

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A6 whatever the stated rule schools will always be able to impose facially neutral selection criteria that de facto give them the racial quotas they are looking for. The Texas 10% plan is a good example of this.

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Berkeley is out too

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Rankings are a little dumb, but this move is even dumber and doesn’t pass the sniff test.

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I’m glad this is happening. US news will need to start using published info to remain relevant. The top schools will remain the top schools, but schools like Vandy and WashU will finally get their due.

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What published criteria do you want to see?

Yale mad because of clerkship boycott, and Harvard mad because of affirmative-action cases (will drop their rankings). Berkeley does whatever the woke mob does. Economic inequality is a copout; they could just lower tuition like BYU ($17k/yr).

Also, this does not take them outside the rankings: it only means they will not report certain info to U.S. News, which is roughly 10–17% of the data used to calculate rankings.

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No.

These rankings are complete BS. Hope all the other top schools are going to follow.

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How should public interest jobs be evaluated in these rankings?

They should stop comparing law schools as a whole and just do more useful stratifications. A Top 20 in a number of categories
-Most financial aid
-Most diverse
-Most welcoming of non-traditional students
-Best clinical programs
-Quality of course offerings

Ultimately this stuff only matters to future law students (who unfortunately continue to make bad decisions based on these rankings) and alumni who donate money just to increase their school in the rankings.
In the real world none of this should matter. If you’re still checking your school’s rankings I feel bad for you.

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Who are the idiot alumni who donate to increase their school’s ranking? Talk about a bad ROI. Why do people actually give to their law school? Honestly, I haven’t the foggiest. But, I remember one summer finals weekend at one of those elite schools where our power went out at the law school residence, all the rich kids went to a hotel and us grunts stripped down to our underwear and powered through the 24 hour exam. At the end of that exam period, my roommate and I looked at each other and said, “Man. Fuck this school. I am never giving it a dime.”

Fast forward. We are both partners at big firms and we both make more than we ever imagined. I have honored my vow of vengeance. My roommate? He has poured money into the school. Why? Because he is still in the same city and has, I think, realized all the powerful networking opportunities an elite school will provide to their big and faithful donors. Some things are worth more than holding your grudge - as he would put it - or having some fucking integrity and loyalty to the misery endured by your younger self, as I would put it.

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My hot take: USNews will change methodology and continue to rank all the schools. Yale, Harvard etc are just saying they wont hand over exclusive data going forward.

The ranking of the top 10 schools doesn’t matter because of everyone will always recognize them as the top schools. Therefore, those students will always have the best chances at the “best” jobs.

Georgetown is out too. No more wondering which years they will put the 15 in T14.

All these little Democrat functionaries
Acting collectively
Is so cute

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