What exactly does “black” mean in this group? Is it a hard line on “African American descent” or is there wiggle room to include anyone that is not white/white passing? I.e brown Latinos and Asians

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As for actual black people of the African diaspora... I’m 100% West African and consider myself African American or just Black. I was raised here, I identify with both Black American and African cultures. My parents however do not identify as black/AA and only consider themselves to be African .

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This thread is evidence enough. They grew up with us, have adopted our culture and reject western/white culture. They’re practically asking permission to be down with us.
And in this environment of entitled white supremacy, you better believe I’m generous in co-signing for allies. High bars, hypersegmentation and rigid screening doesn’t add authenticity to one’s blackness, which feels a lot like what’s being posted a lot lately. Between this and the Black Americans versus Africans thread a bit ago, it’s like the Culture police over here.

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Yeah, I’m not gonna do that.
But I like BADASS a lot. Hasn’t heard that one. Will appropriate it. With your permission, of course.
Not sure how you get to racial equity in isolation, but good luck with that.

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Tf kind of question is this?? We've been infiltrated. I'm out 🏃🏿

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Now this is funny af

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What??? A large percentage of Asians by default are brown and that does not make them “black”. They don’t even see themselves as black, they call themselves “brown”. Brown Latinos see themselves as Latinos . The afrolatino wave is getting more traction as it softens the blow of them randomly saying the “N” word (without the hard R at the end, more of a soft A 😂)

I think an issue the black community has is giving people “the black card” for having a deep tan or liking black culture. If you look at Asian or Latino or White groups, there is no such “card”. You either are or you are not. Idk why we’re so lenient on the term “black”.

Sorry for the dissertation.

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AfroLatino is the correct term for the Latinos that are also part of the African diaspora.

Considering Mexico is just now officially recognizing AfroMexican in the census (even though the slave revolt at Verazruz is documented, slaves were in Oaxaca and Mascogos are descendants of slaves that escaped down to Northern part of MX, etc.), and the African descendant populations throughout Latin America are gaining a better way to speak out, it's not really a surprise that the term is "gaining more traction".

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I consider myself Black American. My parents were both born and raised in the South and I am a descendant of slaves.

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Black means exactly that - you are of African descent. Growing up around us and identifying with our culture does not make you Black, so...

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...by the way on another note from my experience, most times brown people (Latino, Asians...) pick and choose when they wanna be “down” with black folks

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Wow...never heard it put that way but so true PWC

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Not sure about the wisdom of chasing off a POC who seems to be down with us, came up with us, and is looking for an embrace. I have an East Asian cat on my team who married a black woman, is part of our African American Network, and aligns with all things black. A couple of us who know him had a conversation about it recently and unanimously voted him in as a member of the tribe. He’s gonna have black kids raised black, and I trust will do a good job of navigating them through the potholes of black Americanism. This kid seems with us. I, for one, am with him

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I am an AA with a spouse with (Afro) Latinx roots. He was born in the US and considers himself black. He is a descendant of slaves, just as I am and when police stop him in his car, they don’t care that his family came here from Cuba. They see him as and treats him like a black man.

Also, I have a sisters-in-law from India. She is not a descendant of slaves, but she is married to a black man and has seen first hand the struggles that we have. She also experiences discrimination herself and physically she could pass for black, Latin or SE Asian. While she doesn’t consider herself to be black, she isn’t treated any differently than I am and I respect our similarities.

OP is not claiming to be black, but simply feels that he identifies more with us because of how he grew up. I see nothing wrong with that.

BTW- I barely listen to Lil Wayne and I despise trap music. Still black! 😉

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If you have to ask...

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Agreed with P1. Granted, our allies need to understand that we’re more than just music, other artistic expression and sports, but we do need ALLIES. In drumpf’s America, we need to be on the same side as much as possible. Infighting and petty BS make us even more vulnerable AF, and give his pathetic, bigoted base what they want. They’re afraid of us because we are strong and we are survivors - we need to keep that recognizance in focus and be as open as we (safely) can. If we close ourselves off and join the “othering” game, the real other wins, and we cannot afford in any way, shape or form for that to happen.

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If an ally becomes an enemy when you don't condone them co-opting your identity... they were never an ally to begin with.

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I've nothing else to say that my brothers and sisters haven't already. Thank you all

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Do you have to perform ten times better than everyone else to be seen as equal?

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Yep

It’s the diaspora fam.

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Okay so I grew up in a predominantly black and Latino neighborhood. I don’t identify as white and can’t relate/feel excluded from white culture things (talking about first world problems and cape cod and hiking and apple picking and skiing and golfing) and grew up listening to lil Wayne and trap and sure I’m not African and I definitely don’t say the n word but in an America where you’re either white or not I find myself very much out of place on all fronts. Where do I belong? There isn’t a south Asian consultants board because a lot of my south Asian brothers and sisters are outsourced

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We literally don’t know what OP is. Starting to think OP doesn’t know what they are

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Seems like our brown sister or brother is not black but is naturally attracted to the culture...which I would be too if wasn’t black. If you go beyond just listening to trap and Lil Wayne and actually internalize our struggle and history, then you’re fine by me. Just don’t listen to our music but really understand our history and culture.

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Being another minority in the US, studying the history of African Americans gives a sense of how we are treated or why we are treated the ways we are. You can see obvious differences as well due to skin color due to the whitewashed beauty standards out there.

Rap/Hip-Hop music is really the only kind of music here that you can listen to and connect with unless you grew up well off. Many of us grew up in the same/similar ways with strict parenting, parents working multiple jobs or really long hours.

Interesting how we are the most excluded people by others, yet we are the most inclusive of others!

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Update: found the desi bowl lmao

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AlSO created a POC bowl. I think all poc should stick together

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I think P1 has a very generous definition of what it means to be "down with us".

OP very well may be, but I didn't see any evidence of that in this post.

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Hey OP...you're not Black if you have to ask...but that is perfectly fine. If you can relate to the Black experience and you're down, it's no pressure, you're more than welcome to stay and be enlightened some more. But do understand there is some pain that you might or might not every truly experience as some black folks do...but not all of them experience it or acknowledge it either so it's whatever. ✊🏾

#ThanksForAskingThough

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