What if you are mandated for a Vaccine? We know there are different ways to look at this; moralistic, political, personal and professional. Never the less, I'm pretty sure of the dilemma each of us will face in the near future! I'm interested hearing what your thoughts if confronted?

likehelpfulfunny
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

If it comes to that point, I’ll be looking for a different career. Even if I’ve gotten the vaccine. It sounds silly, but I already give enough (too much) of myself and my personal information to my employer. I guess that’s my line in the sand. They can’t tell us we have to eat healthy, exercise, or drive slower in order to get hired and keep our jobs. Those expectations can only be encouraged, and should not be mandated - same with vaccines. All of those actions might keep us healthy, but they are choices.

likeuplifting

This is really a non-issue. Legally employers can require vaccines and test that would pose a health risk to others. It’s already been through the court systems. Hospital workers are required to show proof of several vaccinations and updates yearly. I would not want a nurse or doctor in the cancer ward skipping their vaccinations.

We have all gone through the TB test and many FBI and BCI background checks in order to get hired. This is one more requirement meant to keep the people we teach safe. It does not open the door to your medical record, since you only have to show proof, like you would with a social security card or birth certificate. If you have a true medical condition that prevents getting the vaccine, you would be protected under ADA. Otherwise, it’s a choice. For some, the choice is not to teach in Public schools. However, there will be private institutions that won’t have the requirement and that will be an option.

As educators we have much bigger issues that need our focus and solidarity. I understand the desire for this to be personal choice, however, this decision effects others. When this disease starts to spread, it shuts down businesses, schools, and government agencies. It takes lives by the hundred thousands. We have to recognize that our rights stop where another’s begins.

likesmart

This is an interesting thought and one I have been thinking through a lot lately. I don't believe they should, but whether or not they *can* require it is up in the air for me...
To teach, you are required to have a degree. You are required to be certified in your field. You are required to behave in a moral/ethical manner.
Every job has a set of requirements, and if you don't like the requirements, they don't say "Well that's OK. You don't have to do this." They say "OK, then get a different job that doesn't require it."
Teaching is unique in that they are *desperate* to keep us, but certain standards can still prevent a person from teaching...
Personally, the day a vaccine is required I'm out. It breaks my heart to say, as someone whose bachelors and masters degrees are both in the field of education, because I just love it so much. But my body belongs to me. My health is extremely important to me and I don't want other people making decisions about my wellbeing.

like

In MD for BA and on since 1990 Measles Blood Titer and Chest Cray ruling out TB.

like
Recent IconRecent

I chose to be vaccinated but I don't think that it should be mandatory for everyone in order to keep your job that makes no sense.

likesmart

I use to work in Public Health at a hospital. Being vaccinated was a job requirement. I do believe people have the right to make their own choice. If I didn't want to work there I would have chosen a different job. I don't understand what's the uproar about being vaccinated if you work as a public servant. Most jobs have their own requirements. If it's not for you there's nothing wrong with switching careers. What's the big deal?

like

I'm seeing enough conspiracy and anti-child safetly nonsense in these replies to make me wonder why some folks are in education to begin with. It's enough to lose a student but I can't imagine losing one because I was reckless enough to not be vaccinated, whether from COVID, measles, smallpox, polio or any number of diseases for which we should be trusting science.

As for the HIPPA nonsense, your vaccination card would be all they need.

As for regulations and the employer telling you what to do, it's obvious that some have never driven a school bus. Those of us who teach and also drive buses, whether routes or teams/groups, have to hold a CDL, have yearly physicals on file and be able to pass drug screenings randomly because of federal laws that supercede any state laws. And all of these things are kept on file.

Perhaps some respondents should reevaluate their career choices whether they are required to show proof of vaccination or not.

likefunnysmart

It’s a personal choice. It’s not a professional issue. Requiring it is overreach.

like

Indiana, you are wrong on so many levels. First, none of the countries you mentioned are socialist. Socialism is a system where the government owns and controls all the means of production . A good example of socialism would be Venezuela or Cuba. Secondly, none of those countries have free speech. If you say the wrong thing you are jailed. For example, most of the countries you listed have laws prohibiting speech they deem hate speech. The government determines what gate speech is. In most of those countries speech against transgender/homosexual lifestyles is considered harmless speech—just as an example. Even if you are simply voicing a non-violent opinion that something is wrong, it is punishable by jail time. The list of what is hate speech is long and includes many things most of which would be permitted here and would not be considered hateful at all.

So if it is mandatory, what about the other vaccines ? Polio, TB..... I am pretty sure that we are all vaccinated against these diseases, but we need boosters shots for some of them. Did your school ever ask you about these vaccinations ? If not, why would they mandate the Covid vaccine? I never got a shot against measles or chicken pox ( they were not created when I was young), and I never got these two diseases. The outbreaks are sometimes important and I may be a carrier one day.
My point is that if the Covid vaccine is recommended, we enter into a spirale without end.

likefunny

My school did ask me for my vaccination records when I started working there.

like

I don't think they should mandate vaccines...it's a choice...

like

I don’t have a problem with the vaccine being mandated. If it’s to keep myself and others safe, I don’t have an issue with it.

like

Indiana Elementary School 2, exactly! If I choose not to be vaccinated, that is my business and I don't want to be the guinea pig. There are risks when you don't take the shot, and there are risks when you do. No one has the right to tell me that I have to take certain risks. Saying that I am an idiot or selfish is very opinionated and inflammatory. I know this is a heated topic, and there isn't an easy answer, but all sides should be considered and respected.

like

Vaccine? It should start becoming pretty apparent to all this is a flu shot. More and more we are now told subsequent shots will be needed on a regular basis. It’s a misnomer.

likefunny

Thank YOU IMS2. Misinformation seems to be rampant on this site. It’s embarrassing and very disturbing

like

simply put, this is an attack on our personal rights. I'm not surprised since they've already barged in and demanded we follow their mandates on things that are simply none of their business.

"For the greater good" is NOT a valid argument. Health issues are personal. period.

Many cannot be vaccinated due to health reasons and many have already suffered adverse effects from this vaccine and other vaccines. This is why the vaccine court of the usa has paid out billions of dollars.

Seriously, this about control over others. It is that simple.

likefunnysmart

I had no idea personal rights ended at your employers door.
Wow
Do an employer can ask anything of their employees? I mean, they have no rights, correct?
I hope you have no employees!

The Triangle shirt waist company is just one example of people who think like you.

like

If this or any vaccine were required, I would quit. That is definitely overreach. It is my choice, my business.

likesmart

Lol. The CDC was on ABC today recommending it for teens even with the myocarditis cases popping up.


For all those teacher who keep saying the vaccine is a personal choice about their health - here is another perspective. The vaccine is not just about personal heath but a public health measure to keep your community safe and healthy. The vaccine will help end the Pandemic! If we truly want to safe lives and bring the Pandemic to an end and have our lives get back to more normal we all should be doing our part to end the Pandemic. The best and easiest way is to get vaccinated. As it stands, teachers need to prove they have had the MMR vaccine, or are immune, before being hired. Why? Because getting vaccinated saves lives and keeps our communities safe from disease. We now have a chance to keep our communities safe from a deadly disease again by getting the latest vaccine. If we saw the dead bodies piled up on the street from the Covid virus as they did during the Black Plague for bodies to be carted off to mass graves, maybe we wouldn't be so hesitant in getting the vaccine. I personally do not want to work along side colleagues who have not been vaccinated.

likefunnysmart

What? Shedding spike proteins ? What is your source for that statement. Gov of W Virgina says if you are refusing vaccine (with medical exceptions excluded) you are entering ‘death lottery’ ie people die from Covid

funny

I have a doctors note. Nope, there would be a lawsuit.

likefunny

A lawsuit you would probably lose. IF it ever becomes mandated, which would be a long way off, then you would have the choice to work for someone who doesn't mandated it.

like

It was mandated I have certain vaccines to attend college so I don't see the big deal. I'm also mandated not to smoke weed on my own time even in states where it is legal as I could be drug tested back at work. People getting their panties in a bunch act like we aren't already mandated to do all kinds of nonsense.

like

Why should we be mandated to take an "experimental" vaccine that may be harmful to us down the road?

like

I absolutely think this is wrong. Many don't understand my view on this vaccine. First, let me say that I chose to be vaccinated. I believe in the value of it and the science behind it. I did the vaccine with some nervousness though. However...I don't want to be in a profession or in a country that mandates a vaccine in order to work or to reside. I know this sounds contradictory. I do believe choice is the issue. I also believe that most teachers will choose to be vaccinated. They just should not HAVE to.

like

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Are we forgetting that children are the most resilient to the virus? We lose 300 children every hour every day to hunger (world health organization). I wonder if you are as passionate about ending child hunger as you are about taking away others' rights? I don't have a problem with people who choose to get the vaccine or with those who don't. What I do have a problem with is those pushing their own agendas and trying to manipulate and guilt trip others into doing something that might not be right for them. MY body, My choice. Isn't that what the leftists preach???

likefunny

Just don’t kill anyone else. My body, my choice- yes. This is a highly contagious virus!

Ppl on this forum crack me up. Liberty you say? Interesting take. Do your part as a member of your school, community and society at large.

smart

These vaccines are not FDA approved. They are for emergency use. Agreeing to get a vaccine for covid is agreeing to be part of the trial. Mandating anything that has not gone thought all approval processes seems more dangerous then "for my health". In addition, I do not think requiring a vaccine for a 99.5% recoverable virus is a necessity.
If this becomes a mandate, I will not take part.

likesmartfunny

Income taxes used to be UN-constitutional...SCOTUS made that ruling more than once...then the 16th Amendment was ratified through a process of misleading promises and outright lies to the American public...in no time we were off to the races to raise, raise, raise income taxes...it will be the same with ANYTHING that the government takes control of. You surrender a single, inconsequential, liberty and you will absolutely lose more...there is no such thing as an inconsequential liberty, protect them ALL or face losing them ALL. Government is NOT the answer... a FREE people will rise to any occasion and solve any problem far better than an authoritarian government. That's my take.

likefunny

Utah Middle School, I know somebody who lived under Pol Pot.
Not remotely well organized.
And she got polio due to his paranoia of western medicine, including vaccinations.

Several states are already passing laws to give freedom of conscience on this. I’m sorry for those of you who won’t have the option, but it can’t legally be done until the vaccine gets emergency approval. The law enabling emergency FDA approval, also clearly states people cannot be compelled to take it.

Not that anything like the law will stop the government or anything, but it buys us time at least.

like

No documentation of any vaccine is required in my state to gain employment. Why would covid vaccination be different?

like

Related Posts

How many years of experience does an insurance defense attorney need to have to bill at a senior partner rate vs junior partner?

like

I was just bitched out by a PM who (according to his LinkedIn profile) was a student four years ago, while the people pleaser baby ACD nodded and placated the PM. Some jobs you earn the bucks...

like

Looking for good half marathons to run in San Jose. New to the area. All the upcoming races are either hill or trail runs. Are there any road races for a flatter option?

We were going to go on a hike and had a hotel booked for a night. Texted him 5 min before arrival and when i was there to pick him up. He hopped in the shower. I got annoyed that he did that because i communicated beforehand to be ready. He didnt like that and said that he thinks that i think my time is more important than his... he canceled the trip and we are not speaking because of this incident... Am i crazy or something?

likesmartfunny

If you work at a small agency in NYC, could you tell me what your monthly health insurance premiums are for families? I'm at a small agency in NYC and the health benefits for a family are almost prohibitively expensive, ~1,500/mo with a high deductible. Would love to know if we're competitive or not and if not, share that info with our HR and bosses.

like

If someone serves in the army for a couple of months only and is discharged for medical reasons, are they still considered a veteran?

like

My partner of 5 years ended our relationship last night. I’m shattered and feel absolutely sick, and I know the healing isn’t going to be easy. We were on the verge of an engagement and I was ready to spend the rest of my life with him.

I don’t know how to approach work during this time. I think I can get by, but I’m definitely not 100%. Should I talk to my boss about it? My team is close-knit and comfortable around each other, but I don’t know if it’s “appropriate.” What would you do?

like

Any recommendations on a hotel in Athens, Greece?

like

Hey fishbowl fam! Have any of you recommended one of your students for Kumon, or put your personal child into their program? What are your thoughts from a teacher & parent perspective?

I'm a physician with a disability (wheelchair), and I appreciate so much those patients that don't act any differently around me

like

For folks joining Google from McKinsey - Were you able to keep McK insurance for three months after joining Google? Which insurance plan do most people go for at Google? In my 30s, planning for kids soon. Would like to keep therapy weekly.

like

Hello I am a current nutrition masters student that will be finished with my degree this July and am trying to get involved with healthcare/ tech consulting. I have done 4 years of research in various fields and have readily available skills. I have also worked in a private practice, volunteered my time for EMS, and worked in a hospital so I know healthcare from a different perspective. If anyone can refer me to a consulting job or to a recruiter that would be greatly appreciated!

like

In GMS is it mandatory to declare loans, insurance etc. ? EY Is there any issue if somebody forgot to declare and signed?

like

I’m really happy being gf&bf with my significant other - I’m 41 and I don’t want kids and I am not desperately seeking marriage. I’m really happy with just this & my job. I think it weirds his immigrant family out a lot. His mother apparently was very cold/rude to his ex-gf (I found this out bc I asked) and his sister is very cold and has a very judgmental attitude about women that don’t wanna be a wife & have kids (just like her.) I wanna avoid holidays at their place - any advice?

like

With the medical crisis and financial spiral, will we see a new POTUS after Nov?

like

Has anyone here ever accidentally walked in on a hotel guest? Oops...

like

Has the covid19 made you think more about your bucket list and all that you want to accomplish and experience, the daily job grind notwithstanding? I feel like while I am at a standstill, my mind is racing with all that I need to decide and do.

like

EY 🐠 - potentially starting with the firm soon, and my partner is due to have our first in April. Given the 1 year service requirement for leave, would I have the option to take PTO during birth and use parental leave after my 1 year of service? Appreciate any guidance here

What has COVID19 taught you and what will you cherish most after this is all over?

like

I have an opportunity to be a Food and Beverage manager for a hotel I have been for 6 years. Currently I am overseeing all operations but want to focus more on the F&B world. Would anyone know how much salary I should be asking for this role?

More Posts

I am an personal lines account manager/client manager (property and casualty) going on 6 years experience and I am being paid $53k a year. I am living in CA and work for a large corporation (about 1500 employees). Do you think that $53k is low or seems like adequate pay?

like

Which firms in the region still offer a living allowance?

like

Hey all, I would love some advice - I have been in healthcare for 10 years and recruitment for 4. I am looking to transition into tech recruitment but it has been difficult. Any advice on how I can start developing skills to make me more of a viable candidate?

like

Happy Friday!
Made sure there is no crotch this time 😉

Post Photo
like

Let me know if somebody looking for referrals for below attached skills in CGI

Post Photo
like

I have a 6yo whose school is closed because it’s in the “containment area” and a 2yo whose daycare is closed because of the virus, too. After initially telling me to “take care of my family” (cont)

like

Hi All
I have offers from Wells Fargo , Simens and Genpact with package not much of difference , yoe 6 and domain in data governace .
Considering wells fargo has work timings till 10.30pm, I don't like to work this late shifts. For other 2 i have no idea for work timings.

Please suggest what would be better choice to go with.

like

Are any of you right brained and ENFP? Do you struggle with this profession?

funnylike

My last attempt today did Aud before my FAR & REG expire in. December.
I really need to pass this one today really😔😔😔

like

Hello all!

Are there any googlers who are within Cloud Customer Experience as I would like to connect and learn more about the organization.

Thank you in advance

like

All -
I am interviewing for a Strategy leadership role at a SaaS company. A bit rusty on interviews so crowdsourcing from senior folks here, what are best practices or good examples of certain behavioral questions.

1. What is your weakness? I can talk at length about strengths but unclear what weakness to state so as to not mess up my chances.

2. Where do you see yourself in 5 years? This question is tough because there aren't very many levels above me so cannot say in an EVP role.

helpfullike
like

I’m 35, and going on a first date. Thinking about bringing her flowers. Yea on No? And what would be the perception?

like

Should I trade Miles Sanders and Mclaurin for Joe Mixon?

.5ppr. I have Dalvin Cook, DHop, Pittman, and David Montgomery

Always thought I’d meet my SO at a coffee shop while working on my laptop...

likefunny

Looking for some summer/spring wedge sandals. I prefer the heel to be on the higher side (4-5 inches). Any recommendations?

like

What are different ways to get into an entry level/junior level strategy position?

like

Hey guys one of my friend having 4 years of experience at Accenture needs a referral for Salesforce manual tester position, please let me know if you guys come accross any openings.

Saddle Creek Logistics…..thoughts?

like

Riley loves ball. Arya loves Riley 😆

Post Photo
likefunny

Additional Posts in Teachers

What should I do with our parents at back to school night?

like

Flint sees spike in children needing special education services - TODAY

like

I am on FMLA before Christmas break and admin knows, but grades were due and my sub couldn't do it. However, the grading system which is new messed up my grades up but I am not allowed to do anything during my fmla school related. Praying I dont get in trouble when I get back in January. Was I in the right not to stress about it until I get back?

like

We got a move-in 6th grader today. At the end of today (busses gone) I found out that this move-in has an IEP from TX. The students is certified is EI. We have to re evaluate- this will be an expedited eval as we have 21 days left.

Honestly, is this year ever going to end? These evals are killing me! 😣

like

I'm thinking about leaving the teaching profession because of this new move towards distance learning. it's just that there's no place to go. gotta pay the bills. Anyone else?

like

Really need to go back to spelling! Anyone ever teach spelling words through Greek and Latin words? Or have any other suggestions? My district “gives up” on spelling around grade 3

like

How many of your students are involved in extracurricular activities through school, and does this make a difference in their engagement?

like

Does anyone else get the "summer time blues "?

like

Anyone can suggest help for a 4th grader who is struggling with reading comprehension? The child currently has an F in reading and parents want to get at it early? Please help. Thanks in advance.

likehelpful

Hi! I’m new here.

like

Let's see what everyone got from their students/parents for Christmas!

like

I get a few every year

Post Photo
likefunny

Those of you teaching elementary students simultaneously (remote/in-person): Are all your students allowed to use Chromebook’s/Ipads while you teach? Also, are you using a webcam?

like

Every school seems to have a different protocol or threshold (% positive cases) for closing. In NYC, it's 3%. What is it at your school? Do you think it should be up to the district or a national standard?

likefunny

Has anyone moved out of CA and teaches in a new state now? Where did you go and how complicated was it? I have a lot of years in and don’t want to have to get a bunch of new certifications. My husband is freaking out over this new vaccine mandate for kids.

like

Are you recording and posting all of your live lessons for absent students to watch later?

like

For those of you who have made or are making a school switch, what did you do with all of your classroom stuff over the summer?

like

Having a positive mindset is hard right now. Trying to fake positivity for others is hard. Not feeling like a failure after everything you do is hard. This year is just hard.

like

How important is it to teach telling time (on an analog clock) when kids have access to digital ones? I notice the kids don't seem to think it's important.

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Send download link to your phone

OR

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

Messaging rates may apply

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal