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S&1, sorry you’re so bummed about not being able to exhibit hatred and discontent for entire groups of people, but I think you missed the purpose of D&I. Because you’re white (just a guess) no matter how poor you were born or how hard you have worked things are simply easier because you are white. People assume you’re “just browsing” rather than stealing, that you’re waiting to pick your kid up rather than loitering, that you didn’t mean to run that stop sign and couldn’t you just get a warning rather than being arrested at gunpoint? White people have the power of being believed and that’s one of the reasons why it’s horribly destructive for white people to “make fun” as you said, of other minorities. There are plenty of other things to joke about! I’m sure you’ll expand your repertoire.
Most of the comments on the main thread just goes to show why we, white people, need these courses (and why a targeted group is essential). Other white folks: I assure you, you are -not- being discriminated against or segregated in a way that has any impact on your life, but instead you are being summed up into a collective whole just the same way other races have always been in explicity harmful ways. By always being the majority with the privelege to ignore systemic racism, we haven't even prepared ourselves for a discussion that tosses aside precious western individualism; this isn't about you, it's about white America. That said, next time you might want to refer to 2-3 instances in life where your whiteness was actually used to discriminate against you in some way, consider if that happened to you at least several times a day (in the US) and/or was a part of your everyday work environment (especially if outside of the firms).
Oh! I’m a person of African descent and I think this is a great idea! One thing that makes talking about race so very difficult is that it instantly becomes emotional (see this thread), and we Americans have no idea what we should do when we have feelings whether anger, sadness, fear, rage, hatred, love, joy, etc. Take a moment to notice what happened in your body as you read through this thread - I bet there was some type of physical response - one of the four Fs probably. That is one reason why I think having white people meet and talk with other white people and black people meet and talk with other black people is a great idea - it allows people a space that might feel safer for them to actually acknowledge their thoughts and reactions. Also, being able to “have your feeling” (I know, “ugh”) without feeling shamed or condemned for having them allows more cognitive space to take in new ideas, reflect differently, hear more openly another point of view - and that is what is needed to create a truly free and brave population!
KPMG i feel u.. only way this method is helpful is if someone in the whites only group is calling everyone on their bs.. otherwise its pointless
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I believe we have tried segregated education...
It’s still segregated
I dunno, this kind of makes sense to me. If I as a white person am going to get the maximum value from an anti-racism training (assuming the training is quality), i need space to ask stupid questions/say things that might be hurtful for PoC to hear that the trainers could then use as as examples to explain why it's bad, etc. (Thinking subtler racism, before anyone jumps down my throat). PoC, in turn, deserve a safe space to talk about how they have been impacted and discuss coping mechanisms or other strategies.
I’m poc and I agree. I realize that white ppl have hard questions that they just want a safe space to ask and I think that’s fair, just like I’m in the black professional network to have a safe space to share my feelings I think if the outcome is positive and results in growth, keep the safe space
Ha - no white person will ever publicly ask a question going against D&I principles. Career suicide. All we hear for the past 10 years is: “ you are privileged and offensive.” “ consider everyones feelings at all times” “Don’t stereotype” But it’s a one way street. White people are stereotyped by every single minority and all tossed into the same bucket. It’s ok for minorities to exhibit hatred and discontent with white people, but not the other way. Minorities can stereotype and make fun of other minorities, but if a white person does it, they’re hitler and life is over. So sick of D&I BS.
A lot of the examples you used to cite the discrimination minorities suffer is certainly awful but not necessarily applicable to the workplace. I’m not dismissing that there are occurrences of discrimination at our respective firms, but I would argue that they are not as frequent as they are made out to be. At least at our firm, a significant portion of partners, directors and staff are of Asian decent. There is a certainty a dearth of AA talent here, but that is largely due to the demographics of top schools and competition for talent from tech and MBB offers. So, when our firm is so significantly non-white at the top, I take issue with the fact that we (white people) are pointed out as the problem child in our corporate environments. My comments apply strictly to the world of top tier tech and consulting firms, not broader society. In broader society, there are certainly major issues of discrimination that white people don’t have to deal with
As a minority who’s gone to anti-racism trainings that didn’t target their message by race, I support this. After sitting through 2 hours of how to leverage my white privilege to lift up minorities (again, I’m not white), I’m happy to see trainings segregate their audience for more relevant training. No different than splitting a training for technical and non-technical staff.
Alternatively you could do all those targeted messages in one session, to spark dialogue between everyone. But saying it’s “race-neutral” than making it all about how white people can be anti-racist is a waste of time for all minorities present.
Lol for all of those who are confused: y’all must have forget that white American ancestors made a little mistake called brutal slavery
BCG3, when I go to work, it's to do a job. I'm not going to a re-education camp or some forced 12-step program for white people. You can have my seat if you like it so much.
If you like this idea wait til they announce that they will also be creating separate water fountains
The argument is very simple: segregated education is step 1 of other racist actions to be taken on a corporate level. Accepting that education should be segregated, demonstrates dire May be open to further segregation actions such as bringing back separate restaurants, water fountains, public transportation. This is a step back in the anti racism fight.
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Intentions might be good, but this is cringe worthy
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So basically everyone except Asians
@EY6 We don’t believe in hand outs or people feeling sorry for us so maybe we will
Wow this thread is a textbook example of how white people can't handle being named by our race.
As a white person who has been through DEI trainings that are broken up by POC and white, I have to say this approach is very helpful and those are the sessions in which I’ve been able to make the most growth. Everyone in this thread is missing the point - there are clearly different experiences for people by race in the workplace and white people need to do this reflection without forcing POC to teach you or listen to you say hurtful things.
Project Lead 1, people are not forced to teach you because it can be triggering and painful to re-live their traumas and describe bit by bit why you are racist and how each micro aggression and unconscious bias makes their lives more challenging. It is your responsibility to learn. And D8, the problem with segregating trainings, although nice to think you’re “protecting” Blacks and other minorities from the trauma and making clear it’s not their responsibility to teach you (do you note your white saviour position right there?), you are trying to create a “safe space” where racists can still be openly racist under the cover of asking “honest questions”. We’ve tried segregated education. It doesn’t work.
I'm guessing the intent is actually to help White people feel safe to ask or say certain things that they may not when the people they're discussing are also in the room. Saves everybody time when you can cut out the "I'm not racist, but [insert wildly racist BS]" part.
You come up with this yourself?
The idea behind a lot of these is that BIPOC do not owe whites people the emotional labor of teaching them how to be better. They need to do the work themselves using the materials, readings, lectures, etc. that BIPOC have already spent decades developing. Moreover they are not supposed to be safe spaces at all. I’m not sure they’re the right solution, but usually these are for the purpose of not making BIPOC nurture white people, not for making white people feel comfortable. I can’t speak to this session in particular which may be doing just that.
Hate to break it to you, it IS emotional labor for BIPOC to be tasked with educating white folks on this time and time again. If you cannot understand that, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate if you are part of the problem.
So white is not a color? That contradicts my kindergarten doodling class …
Sm1 oh no that didn’t really happen did it? Oh we’re all so scared....
Might as well divide by every subgroup too. The average Indian uncle might be more racist towards black folks than most white people and vice versa.
Ha idk, some of your fellow Canadians might call out problems with indigenous community relations
Time for your white privilege training. Sharpen your pencil and lower your head you micro aggressive bigot.
Did you see the 'People of Color' one? It's right next to it.
Selective racism
Racial caucusing is a proven tool to enable conversations on race that otherwise wouldn't happen because of shame/fear/pride, and conversely creates space for POC and URPOC to have safer discussion space without feeling the pressure to educate white people or revisit old scars. I see no problem with this.
Racial caucusing. Beautiful.
I never understood the use of the term "person of color" to address non white people. Isn't white a color? Everyone is a person of color.
Do you have a better term? I think it's one of many terms used for lack of a better alternative