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I'm a black woman. I feel that everyone is open and comfortable talking about gender discrimination. At my prior firm, there were a lot of resources and organizations for women. I feel like if I express my experiences as a professional woman, people will actually listen. People don't rush to say, "Men are the real ones discriminated against, and women have massive advantages against men."
But,I feel like if we voice any concerns about being black in the workplace, all efforts are directed to stifle the conversation and prove that discrimination against black people doesn't exist, which baffles me because we all know American history. I don't understand why people act that the daughter of a parents who went to a segregated school couldn't possibly be judged for being black.
Why do we "believe women" but not "believe black people?"
As an Asian woman, I feel more gender discrimination than racial prejudice. But my group is also 50/50 white and Asian. Black people have left our group and have not lasted long and I think that’s a product of not being inclusive enough!!
Maybe because everyone has at least one close woman in their life (mom) but not necessarily a POC? Also people know that racism is wrong and so are squeamish when they think they are accused of contributing to the issue, even if not intentional.
I believe any movement that effects disenfranchised white people will get more traction i.e. women’s movements. LGBTQ etc.
I really feel this post, racial bias and racial differences are not discussed as much as it should be in this line of work
I think because it’s lacking POC. It would be helpful to have conversations about what it’s like being the only people of our kind in an office with people who look, talk, dress, and think differently than we do, in hopes of avoiding future situations where someone might say or do something we find offensive or ignorant.
Most people will say gender discrimination is due to life choices such as lower paying professions and taking extended time off to have a family. People completely ignore that studies have been done to control for those variables and it still exists.
Call me altruistic, but as a younger person I feel that among my age demographic we’re all open to talking about anything and can recognize discrimination in any form. If I see something, I say something. I don’t think of myself as close minded or unwilling to accept something as being true, but remain open to hearing about and acknowledging others’ unique experiences since I recognize I’m only one person with one background. So I tend to listen to what others have to say
KPMG 1 practically everyone is open to listening (I’m from the NE so my view on this might be biased) However if you look at assimilation i.e diverse friend groups, where do you shop live and do business, you’ll find this tells quite a different story.
More women earn college degrees then men in America. This last year was one of the first years more women entered the workforce then men. I typically do not witness or discuss gender discrimination because I do not see it.
At the firm I’m at now I think there slightly more women partners than men. My last firm only had male partners but just added a female. In 10 years though I think you will see more women partners than male partners.
This conversation was completely hijacked by people who probably did even read OP’s post/take it seriously, just as expected
Because what people think is racial discrimination isn't the same as what people of color experience.
People don’t acknowledge it because it makes them too uncomfortable
I love how everyone continues to talk about gender discrimination, case in point.
Gender discrimination is somewhat recognized in the professional workplace but nothing is really done about it (ie despite women comprising more than 50% of accounting graduates and have for a while men are made partner more frequently than women). Outside of the professional workplace gender discrimination is not acknowledged- look at the comments on any yahoo posts on the topic.
Don’t get me started on gender discrimination!
For those who don’t see it, it’s 100% there intentionally or not...
when socially and culturally men are easier seen as leaders and a strong woman is seen as bossy or bitchy,
when women are coached towards being a managing director so they can spend more time with their kids,
when male partners are considered good fathers because they go home early to be with their kids but female partners are “not present enough” at work when they go home early to be with their kids,
when clients won’t listen or take what a female says but when a male counterpart says the same thing they agree and it suddenly makes sense....
I could go on and on....
I think this has to do with community assimilation, as white woman who grew up overseas in an Arabic community, I used to feel extremely out of place. I recently worked on a team where I was the only white person and thought nothing of it at first because I typically do well in diverse communities. On the project I was never critiqued on my work, only factors that I didn’t think applied. I was frequently told I dress inappropriately, make little effort, and I had to attend several meetings on my character and attitude problem in the workplace. It was very clear to me they didn’t like me as a person and therefore had no interest in working with me. I’ve never been told by anyone I have an attitude problem, and typically am told I am too passive. Our office was very diverse (which I typically prefer) and nobody else had an issue with me apart from my team. I attributed my teams dislike of me to being cultural differences. I later found out that nobody has been able to stay in that position for longer than a few months. That being said, I think being a minority in any environment is challenging and needs to be discussed. Looking different, having different lingo, etc. can lead to workplace shifts that easily effect a team dynamic.
I just read an article on Yahoo about the San Francisco Giants hiring a female coach and most of the comments by men are so despicable. My hope is that women will be treated fairly by the time my great grandkids are adults and my oldest child is 10 🤯
I said it's more likely to be acknowledged.
I would argue it’s because gender bias is more visible. In America, once slavery was abolished, those that did not agree with it being illegal found ways to go under cover and still practice it within the constraints of the law. Those carefully disguised practices became cultural norm and found their way into policy. Think about something as simple as hair. No one would openly say black ppl can’t wear their natural hair the way it grows on their head. But how many policies are there mentioning “unkempt” or “professional” or where Afros or braids are frowned on? No one thinks this is discriminatory because A) why shouldn’t your hair be “professional” and B) you agree an Afro isn’t but who defines professional? It’s not until you really think about that judgement call that you realize it’s a discriminatory policy towards people of color.