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Will the scientists of this bowl please explain how the unvaccinated are causing the variants? That doesn’t make sense to me, they should be at risk for the regular Covid strain. Wouldn’t variants be created within the vaxxed community, because the variants learn to mutate against the antibodies that were formed via vaccination.

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Viruses mutate regardless. Unvaxed spreads infection faster which means viruses have more chances to mutate

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When you catch covid you get about a trillion individual viruses within you. Each one of the trillion viruses has a chance at mutating. So when a billion people get covid, you get 1 trillion x 1 billion chance of a mutation causing a variant. When vaxxed people get covid they get much less than the trillion viruses because the body kills it off before it can reproduce at scale. So even though those viruses may be more biased to mutate based on your logic, there’s so much less replication happening the odds are much lower.

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That's not how mutations works. Every virus reproduction carries a chance of the virus mutating itself. The vast majority of the mutations that happens in the virus RNA (covid is a RNA virus - +ssRNA to be more specific) causes the virus to not be able to reproduce anymore, because their genetic code is damaged. A very few of those mutations still keep the ability to reproduce, but the characteristics of the new mutations might not make it more favorable to pass to others - these mutations dissappear mostly in their host (and even if it spreads, doesn't do well). A very very few of these variants develops a new characteristic that is good for the virus to spread - like the symptoms are weaker/takes more time to show signs; the virus gains the ability to spread via air or water; or in the case of the delta variation, increases their viral load while also being more easily transmitted. Unvaccinated people have more chance of getting covid, and every time a new division (reproduction) of the virus happens, more chance a new mutations happens - and more chance this new mutations makes the virus stronger. Side note: Mutations that increase the lethality of the virus are USUALLY worse for the virus spread - although a few cases of smallpox this was actually worse due to the ability to spread after the victim had died.

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Well, it's a basic overview considering epidemiology is a very broad field, even considering infectiology only by viruses. Basically everything there can be found in 3 minutes googling - maybe the +ssRnabut that's irrelevant

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SD1 - great explanation. I would also add that each time a virus replicates, it has a chance to mutate. And since people are vaccinated, the virus doesn’t even have a chance to get into the person to replicate. Mutation is a random event, not intelligent. The virus does not learn. The selection of variants, then, is not for necessarily the “best” one, but for the one that spreads fastest for the longest period of time (I.e, the “fittest” to its situation)

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Wow, so many typos in my above! Sorry!

Also apply your thinking with literally any other vaccine ever made. Are they producing rapidly spreading more contagious versions?

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Not a scientist but, viruses mutate to survive and they do so on their own. Basically a virus entire goal is to survive and infect new people. It’s why over time viruses tend to become less deadly (can’t survive if you kill every host). The unvaccinated aren’t “causing” the variants but, they are allowing them to spread quicker through society which is the issue. If the vaccine causes 99% of people vaccinated to kill the virus then that is less potential hosts that can pass that strain on.

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Going off of this—if the mutations that turn in to new variants are those that are the most successful at transmitting from host to host (above all other characteristics, including symptoms and severity)—is it also true that with each mutation, the virus actually becomes less dangerous and only becomes more transmissible?

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That would depend on the mutation. It could go either way based on the change in function of the proteins the mutated genes encode.

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Unvaccinated people are like still water for mosquitoes, a breeding ground for COVID to mutate.

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Being a VP you’d think you’d be more well rounded. People with the vaccine are showing in droves as symptomatic carriers. 😬 but prob doesn’t fit the narrative that you’d prefer

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