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They only care about utilization numbers, sales, , that you agree and kiss up to your superiors and never challenge. If you're lucky enough to work under a confident and nurturing lead, you're very fortunate. But most of what I've observed is not the latter. Even if you can prove you have utilization, they will segment time frame where you don't meet the quota and not give you any right to refute and show them evidence that you have the numbers for the year. There's no point asking about metrics or fight foe what is yours. If you're not in good graces with your PPED, you'll be waiting till cows come home for recognition and fair assessment.
Thanks EY5. I'm out and looking around. I wonder how some Sr mgmt folks go to sleep at night screwing people over and lying blatantly. I'm done with them and glad not to be associated with these people. I'm the fortunate one. I have the freedom to look without guilt and they...they are stuck to roll in the mud with in fighting and shady competition. Many have gone on to client side FT jobs in higher places....decision making positions that will be considering future EY proosals... good luck to these management folks. They'd be deluding themselves if they think they can get their foot in the door.
I will quit if I can find a better opportunity, regardless of promotion.
No, but I would begin to look for another job. Never quit out of spite. It shows inability to control your emotions.
Quit when you have something lined up. Not because you're a baby in need of attention.
Yes. Definitely.
D2 is right. Also a time you should use to reflect. You "fought" for the promotion, but did you earn it?
I have over 110% utilization, sales credit as a senior, international leading experience but still did not make a manager . Even have the partner endorsement, but practice lead did not let it happen
Absolutely but I'd wait until I find a new job and collect my bonus irrespective of how measly it is
Then you have a very strong naysayer in. The midst. Do you know who it is so you can inquire what they'd like to see from you? Or maybe they have a "favorite" they're grooming in your place for promotion....then that sucks
Sitting on the committees makes me sick. So much horse trading going on. Remember it's not about personal achievement it's about achievement across a cohort. I was successful at getting a counselee senior only because of a lot of positioning ahead of time both with file review and practice management. My counselee manager had a 4/5 year but ended up getting a 3 because the practice wanted to promote 3 managers to SM and she was in her first full year at Manager. It's frustrating but reality. It's likely something similar happened to you. That said, they've completely changed the review structure now, so it may be better (or worse) in the future.
Sorry to hear that OP. How is your counselor? I feel like I having a strong counselor helped make my case (i just got promoted to M as an S3, and my metrics were lower than yours, 85% util). What helped me was that I had a lot of PPED support, even outside of my competency. My counselor was good at selling me and has a strong brand within the firm, so I am sure the committee respected his opinion.
My counselor is not quite helpful, if not terrible. I would always have to be the one who's driving the entire conversation with him and tell him what to do in the round table . I'm not exactly sure what he did say to the committee
Well, what where the metrics of you not getting a promotion? If you hit the metrics, it definitely has to do with the people responsible for you not advocating for you enough. Try a different counseling family or practice. No harm it giving it the old college try once more.
And the partner endorsing you doesn't have enough clout
Yeah The whole committee thing is just not a fair game I think.
OP - I am a Snr3 with 10 years of industry experience and MBA. I joined EY 1.5 yrs back. When I joined I was told that "I should come in as a manager but EY wants me to be Senior for an year to understand firm's culture". This year they denied me promotion ONLY because 'lenght of tenure in EY', which should be 2 years, before getting promoted. So when people with 5yrs experience get promoted to Manager and 8yrs to Snr Manager, it pisses me off!
@EY3 what in the actual fuck. What a piece of shit. I'll be your counselor ❤️
Brush up on your political skills regardless of whether you stay around. Change counselors, and identify the 2+ partners supportive of promotion way before mid year.
Hmm my counselor was fish out of water and not good at listening but sounded like she was reading from a script...just doing administration work, no interest in our conversations whatsoever. On many occasions I had to repeat same discussion 3 times or more and she'd cut out saying her time is up.