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It depends on whether the hypothetical service in question is entirely commoditized or not. For most professional services I think not (similar to medicine - there are some exceptions). My dad is a veteran software engineer and steered all his sons away, thinking the future of swe would all be outsourced to India but that certainly didnt happen despite what has now been ~15 years of technological ability to do so.
This is already happening & when Bay Area employees want to move to a LCOL area & keep their same salary, it just incentivizes firms to expand offshore staff or hire staff from LCOL areas. Many people from LCOL areas would be happy to work at a high profile company for a fraction of what a Bay Area job would typically pay
More work for consultants on other side of that. It’s fun working with clients to help unravel their offshore messes.
Ignore this MD. He's an Indian at a WITCH company, clearly talking his book.
We see how that model worth for WITCH. You think any of the major consulting firms wanna become like those companies? You can only offshore so much.
Offshored work that I’ve always fixed has been botched heavily.
I’m not replacing my PCP with a doctor In India over zoom. Are you?
Ignore this MD. He's an Indian at a WITCH company, clearly talking his book.
From reading OP's comments, it's clear that OP is not a native English speaker. My guess - this is an MD at one of the WITCH companies that stand to benefit from offshoring.
We don't want your offshore nonsense here. Stop abusing the H-1B lottery system.
You seem to have misunderstood my point. I did not say functional or industry expertise was useless, but that language proficiency weakens any supposed expertise. To tweak your analogy to better fit what I was saying, what if one of your bilingual folks couldn’t speak Arabic or write Arabic cogently? My comment speaks about client-facing individuals primarily, but, if you want to go there, what if your bilingual team members couldn’t communicate well with the English-speaking team because they didn’t know English quite well? I’ve been on global teams in almost every project I’ve ever been on and I’ve seen this occur. Behind closed doors, the client thinks less of the team (and of the firm) and the team members seethe privately about each other. This is not about English. It’s about respect for your client and their communication preferences, no matter where in the world they work.
Oh and we’re not talking about native vs non-native speakers. We are talking about proficiency and actually caring about writing and speaking a language correctly. It’s easy to confuse this issue and make it about something it’s not. Just because you aren’t a native speaker doesn’t mean you can’t have a reasonable command of the language. In the West, we seem to have a double standard about how much language interpolation is ok when dealing with professional services staff that can’t communicate well.
Just because teams work this way today doesn’t mean they should. If you think perception doesn’t matter in consulting, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I’ll be honest, I’m shook by how good the offshore management consultant is on our team. I was always told the India teams are mostly technical and you need to give them a set of black and white technical tasks to complete. Not this person -he is contributing actual strategy design and management consulting. Near perfect English. Creative thinking and getting ahead of problems and providing good perspective and insight. Sharp business acumen. Interfacing with the client. Honestly you wouldn’t know any better where he was dialing in from. Oh, and working well past midnight India time to accommodate our team. They are hungry, skilled and confident. And I am shook because other than maybe national security, there is no white collar domain left that cannot be offshored for less by equally talented capable individuals.
Obviously this is someone that works under OP, that OP coerced to write this comment
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The pipe dream of execs but it’s not practical at least for decades.
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From your comments, very clear that you are one of these execs lol
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OP's posts make much more sense when you realize they are from an Indian perspective.
Yeah but what’s to stop them from doing this regardless if we’re in the office or not?. Not only that a company would literally collapse from the inside out. If they thought they could use someone from another country to solve problems for someone here. Only certain jobs can be this way like farming.
Ignore this MD. He's an Indian at a WITCH company, clearly talking his book. He IS from India. Indian staff at the WITCH companies are some of the most incompetent idiots I've ever worked with.
If they were smart they'd be in the states, where they could earn multiple times what they do today
I think this doesn’t make as much sense as you think it does. Doctors see people over zoom for milder concerns, the focus is still on in person visits. There are also legal concerns and you cannot do international prescriptions easily. Also, the solution for cheaper labor has been around for decades. Been there, got the badge after being laid off and having IT moved to India. This occurred while we were onsite and in person. In the end (years later) they brought back it back. I don’t think the panic you want will happen any time soon.
I view remote work similarly to AI and other workplace movements brought on by advancing tech.
Some people will be replaced and lose their jobs but the majority of people will adapt. This backlash against remote work is fear mongering by an older generation afraid of change or doubting their ability to adapt.
They’re aging out in the next 10-15 years anyway and you can’t stop progress. So I think adaptation is the only way forward. Upskilling and keeping up with the current culture and mindset of the place you’re in to justify why they’re paying for your perspective.
Why do people pay for MDs when they can pay for cheaper associates? It’s not about being the cheapest, it’s about delivering value and always has been.
I work remote but I can fly into a meeting with a days notice (without a visa)
The only reason I stopped traveling is because my clients (in industry) stopped coming into their offices. Pre Covid - my office was their office.
If this were to work it would mean that I could also move to a cheaper country and work remotely from there but they won’t let us do that even for short periods of time.
Taxation would be an issue and I see OP commenting that “legislation can be changed” well why would the govt accept to longer receive taxes from 150k+ salaries and let companies offshore everything to India?
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Same was said about manufacturing jobs. I think there will be a role for highly paid onshore jobs, but they’ll become a lower percentage of our firms’ staffing model. I think I saw a report where ACN is already 60-70% offshore?
For doctors you can see them online for quick things like prescription refills, but for diagnoses, preop etc you still need to be in person. Doctors examine the patient and even in the history will observe body language, cues etc. Also medicolegally, the regulations would make it challenging, HIPPA already makes it prohibitively hard for health data to be shipped out of country.
Yes. Same with colleges and professors. Only a matter of time to level out pay for remote workers.
Yes and no. Yes some learning can be done remotely. However, there is not a replacement for in person group learning, projects, socialization, etc. I think some classes can be online, mixed with in person. Or, after someone already had the in person experiences. Just like, you can't replace building work relationships in person, even if that is periodically (not every day like the old days).
Also, there is education research that children as one example do not do as well with remote learning. This has been one of the real downsides of covid policies. A lot of kids are behind in learning.
Well, you should have missed that new medical machine can be operated from internet, so a doctor can actually operate you from wherever there is a good and stable internet connection
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Why “should” I have missed that? And the doctor can “operate” me instead of “operate on” me? Boy, I hope the doctor can help me dunk a basketball too.
I think this misses a point within the US. In the US, generally people in the country will enjoy blue collar work or know that is their future. I think remote work gives opportunity to people who want to live in the country but perform white collar work.
Outside of the US - I can't speak. I know I and a few others quit Big4 because I was annoyed with my entire team being in India and Asia and only being surrounded by H1B's in IT Audit (may have just been my office). I know this is the "new norm." If we see that companies with plentiful onshored employees perform better, maybe it'll change the norm. Personally I think contractors and employers for US Operations should be required to pay into FICA at a higher rate. Why? Because we can. If companies don't like they can leave.
India doctor can’t prescribe controlled substances here, for one among myriad reasons
Or Canadian or South American or even Korean doctors or even Florida doctors (why not)
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Short answer is yes.
You have to be physically located where the doctor is licensed though.
Those are legislations, they can be changed. So few years ago, realtors had a rule that you cannot list a house for sale without a realtor, then came Redfin and it challenged the made up rules, and now you can sell houses with remote agents for cheap. Same for Tesla, before car dealerships had a law that car manufacturers cannot sell car directly but Tesla changed it.
Insurance companies that will save billions can make it happen.