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With the exception of 2 internships in my 10 year career, all of my jobs were acquired from referrals. I was qualified for all of the jobs I applied for, and had edited/tailored the resume to fit the job description for every application submitted. The only difference between getting an interview and not was the fact that I knew someone. It’s quite disheartening to think that background/experience and high performance didn’t matter when I applied without a referral

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The best job I ever had was via referral. The worst job I ever had was via referral. My current job, which I really like, was cold apply + LI message the hiring manager (a complete guess) My point: there is no magic bullet - it's all luck, coincidence, or neither. It's a game - play like it!

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1st job - resume with “affirmative action applicant” stamped across the top (I’m white female, and that made me uncomfortable when I saw that in my resume during interview) 2nd job I went to a vendor company. Got drunk with the team one night they were offering me a job before the night was out. (And no I didn’t) 3d job - referral from friends who left company 2 to company 3 4th - I created it (self employed consultant. I reached out to my contacts to get 1099 work) 5th - same industry/similar work cold resume. Lower rate but benefits 6th - I applied (IBM GBS)went through full interview process, my experience lined up exactly with what they needed and was willing to travel. I don’t remember if I was referred in but I probably found some IBMer to get my resume in the door. 7th - an ex IBMer recruited me to EY. 8th - I created it. A vast majority of our business comes from referrals or repeat happy clients. The rest from sales team. When I hire people for my small company, real referrals go a LONG way. It saves many steps and I’ve had bad luck hiring unknowns. I can’t believe how many resumes I’ve received with blatant lies or extreme exaggerations. And some people are just plain crazy. We don’t know that till after they’ve been onboard a while.

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In my 20+ year career, every job I’ve had has been based on background/experience. I’ve only had 2 interviews where I can definitively state it was from the referral. I’ve never received an offer either from that. Everyone has different experiences.

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All my gigs have been through pure interview. So I would be more interested in your networking skills

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I honestly have been blessed with good colleagues. Take time to go on network luncheons etc

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It really puts into perspective how lazy and embarrassing the work from talent and recruiters is. I always imagined them like throwing CV's and the ones that land into a particular frame, they read and interview. Specially in industry, since in consulting, we, the people who bring the money, go on hunt for our teams scrapping linkedin and read every single CV up the last comma. Talent teams are really a burden

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I understand your frustration but I also think it’s uninformed and assumptive about an entire industry and group of people. People say the same about consultants because they don’t understand the work we do, nor do they have a look into the day to day and bureaucracy. There are bad TAs and good TAs but unfortunately the bad ones seem to impact perception

I just got my dream exit to industry at a fortune 10 company, and I feel like I am in a completely leveled up environment, and I literally cold applied on LinkedIn. Knew zero people at the company. I got all my other jobs through recruiters reaching out to me. I went to a good state school but not exactly a top tier pedigree or anything.

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I guess I will say, without networking there is more of a volume and luck component. I didn’t have that much of a network for the jobs I wanted for my most recent move and I did a lot of cold applying with a lot of no responses, but then somewhere after a month or two all of a sudden I had three really interesting processes going all for roles I really wanted that were away from consulting (and all with no referral/knowing no one). Referrals are certainly a faster, surer way but I do believe it can be done with cold applies with patience.

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I am not sure your takeaway is correct. Maybe your got your referral jobs quickly and didn’t have to apply to a bunch of jobs without referrals. Everyone’s hit rate is higher when they have a referral.

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Ok but my basic point is that it is a small sample size. If one of your non referral jobs hit, you would not have posted. It is random and you took some of the randomness out by taking each referral job

I’ve worked at multiple prestigious employers (MBB consultant, FANG PM, etc) and I’ve never once used a referral. Great companies have effective processes to identify great talent.

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That was very helpful PM1. /s

Are you a white cis het male?

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Ah gotcha. My referrals were people I previously worked with. People underestimate and undervalue the relationships they have at their current place and think they need to find someone at the target company. The reality is that in this economy people move around and the person you used to know could transfer to that company or is somehow connected via someone else. Hence the reason I encourage folks to “water the grass at home”, treat everyone well, be helpful to folks who can’t help them and put their best customer service face on because you never know when it will come full circle. You help yourself when you help others, even when they can’t return anything at that time. People will remember you.

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How did you get those referrals? Would love to know more!

By someone I worked with previously. I also will not refer someone I don’t know. My sentiment is that most people will not refer a stranger because if that person turns out to be a cruddy employee, it reflects poorly on them

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