Women and Men - why do you think there is so much gender disparity at the top. Is it bc women generally take on the responsibilities of having a family? Or is there more to it?

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Ok, there is so much more to it. Women often aren't considered for certain growth opportunities long before they even have kids. Women can be damned if they do or damned if they don't when it comes to how to carry themselves. The list goes on. There are many books written on this and there is a ton more to it than just kids. Men have kids too, btw.

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Reason for gender disparity is the same as the reason for racial disparity. Anything that goes unchecked will run rampant. Not sure if it's entitlement or insecurity but the lack of diversity by any group is telling.

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There's more to it.

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We were talking about this in my project team not too long ago. The two men in the room (my M and SM) proceeded to discuss why they think women leave the firm, how hard it must be, and why their friends chose to leave-- without making eye contact with me a single time, and even talking over me when I tried to chime in. AND IM A WOMAN. Stupid shit like that is why women leave. People leave BOSSES-- especially when they exude subtle undertones of sexism-- not work, nor jobs.

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Women are less likely to talk themselves up. Guys are happy to brag and self promote even if they suck. I'm a woman and I've just come to this realizarion

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And we are likely to align ourselves with the familiar. It's harder for a male partner in the office late to invite a female subordinate to drinks. He would be far more likely to ask her male colleague to join him. Little instances like these, repeated over time, have larger impacts.

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Yes, women who call out gender discrimination aren't exactly celebrated as heroes

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Men have kids, but every couple has a primary caregiver and in heterosexual relationships that is more likely to be the female. And that pulls you away from work.

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The idea that having kids is a hindrance to a woman's career is because men still don't feel the same sense of responsibility with respect to children. Uneven maternity/paternity leave policies reinforce the stereotype that women "should" be the primary caregiver

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Women have kids.

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Men tend to have a wider distribution from the norm - i.e. statistically wider tails. More likely to be at the top, BUT more likely to be at the bottom as well.

Men and women also have different aspirations and motivations too. Not sexism or societal pressure.

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D4 is very right. This happens pretty much everyday for year indefinitely until some kind of cultural revolution is solidified aka this will prob not change anytime soon

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Nor is there a clear path on how to do so and then have anything to show for it after you call it out

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@A1 you're totally right-- but when two men are talking about women, and ignoring the only woman in the room... well, call it what you want to call it...

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EY1 is right. That is why this concept of "pay for performance" is somewhat troubling

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I have women who have worked for me and I try to give my view on what I have seen and heard in round tables and more so at a bar or dinner table.

In some cases, women are harder on women than men are too.

My view is that if you have kids and are out for months during a year, at the manager and senior manager level, it will slow your advancement. The same could be said for time out due to medical or sabbatical.

There are late nights, weekends and last minute trips in this job. If one person can do that and another can't, then the person more willing to put their personal life second, is more likely to advance and get stretch opportunities.

It is all numbers though and if you are good, you are selling work and you are generating billable hours better than your peer group, regardless of sex, typically you are likely to advance.

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@pwc3 the three of us in the room were (are) all within a comparable age range (within 3-4 years of each other). So, no, I'm not that young, we all get along normally, it's not hostile by any means so I wasn't about to insert myself just for the sake of rocking the boat, but when the conversation topic came to women, somehow the one woman in the room wasn't consulted for her opinion. Hmm... 🤔 ... yup, that's just a couple of men acting dumb. My point here is that subtleties like that make me want to leave the firm, and find a company with a culture where I don't experience that crap. Not because I have a time bomb in my ovaries, or because some man is making me sacrifice my career for his. Stupid shit like that makes me never want to stay long enough to be partner because I could put my efforts into bosses who make my voice feel valued and relevant.

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Men also work more dangerous jobs, more labor intensive jobs and have a life expectancy of almost ten years shorter in the US. Yeah there's more men at the top, but it's a trade off

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EY3- pretty sure we're all talking white collar, professional, high SES work here. If you account for social class, I bet the life expectancy disappears.

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D1, what more is there to it? Can you be more specific

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