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Would you turn down a job offer (firm culture unknown but not notoriously terrible) that would pay 70k more per year before bonus to stay at a firm with good culture under a partner you really like?

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If hours are equivalent, I’m 100% taking that offer. I’m sure the new firm will have someone you like too. It’s $70,000, I mean come on.

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Assuming I wasn’t drowning financially and my current pay was decent, probably. Money can’t buy happiness 🤷🏻‍♀️

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There are a ton of posts on here about people hating their work situations. Is the money worth it to leave what seems to be a rare positive work environment?

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If I love my firm and the partners I’m working with, I probably wouldn’t be looking at all. But if I were looking, there’s probably a reason why and I’m inclined to think I’d take the $70k.

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I agree with this completely. I made a move about a year ago on offer after being solicited and highly recommended to a new firm by a mentor when I “wasn’t looking.” Truthfully hadn’t spoken to a recruiter and had to rush to update my resume for the situation. It was the best thing that’s happened for my career. It took being in the new situation to realize I really wasn’t as happy as I was trying to convince myself I was. Now I don’t even open or answer the recruiting calls or emails... not saying every situation is the same, but maybe they are really nice and still underpaying you for the work you are doing? Hope this helps!

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Well I guess it depends on where I started. 70 to 140 I’d feel like I had to. 250 to 320, maybe not so much.

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Work is always gonna be work during the day to day grind. But making an extra 70k will give you much more flexibility for the future go, I had a similar quandary and went with the money and haven’t looked back since.

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70k is a lot of money. The partner you like may leave or may not support you as much as you expect down the line (I don’t know them obviously, but I’ve had managers I really liked throw me under the bus or not support me in a moment of crisis). Can you assess the culture at the other firm? What would your bonus be and how does the total package compare? What are the pto and family leave policies if relevant? If you’re happy where you are, why did you pursue this new position? I don’t mean that in a bad way, but fundamentally there is a reason you interviewed.

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As I always say: I’m not doing this for fun. $70k isn’t chump change. Take the money. The people on here that complain about “toxic environments” probably wouldn’t be happy at any law firm.

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It’s because of people like A9 that ‘toxic environments’ even exist. A9, people complaining about ‘toxic environments’ are probably trying to get away from idiots like you.

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You have to be careful making this move. After tax, it’s good money but your quality of life is priceless. I would talk to associates at the new firm to get a better handle on the culture.

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Yes if I got a counter offer for at least 35K more

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Money comes and goes. Happiness though... sounds like you have a good spot

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You also need to look at the pay differential farther out than the immediate future

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$70k bump...before taxes? Personally I wouldn’t do it since I love my firm, the culture, and the career path here, but if I were 4 years less seasoned I’d probably make that jump.

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Do it. Even if you don’t like the new firm that pay jump will help you in your next job. It’s a resume boost. Long term it benefits your career.

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I passed up an almost $100k pay increase (between signing bonus, guaranteed minimum bonus and a bump in salary year due to my MBA) as a third year to stay at the firm I started with and still love. In my opinion, the money isn’t worth as much as the experience, and it’s not always easy to find good mentors (and accordingly, get good experience). That said, it’s easy for me to say that because that firm had a reputation as a sweatshop (rumor was avg 2400/yr among associates), and I’m already in big law/getting paid cravath scale at a firm with a great culture. So, it’s safe to say I’m comfortable. I also have a couple mentors who took me under their wing, and as a result I’ve gotten some great experience and a lot of client contact, which will set me up to go in-house and hopefully onto the business side eventually (and that’s where the real money is made).

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Why not? Every big firm has good people. You will find someone.

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Depends on your financial situation and obligations. I had to make a similar choice but I have children and a spouse and had to do the best thing for them. The extra money would take a lot of pressure off my spouse and it wasn’t fair to give that up.

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And I was very happy I took the job btw. I was able to maintain mostly good relationships with my old firm and a great relationship with the partner that I almost stayed for. We still talk and bounce ideas off each other all the time.

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If you can afford it, don’t leave!

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Does everyone at your current firm like the partner you like? I ask because some people (myself included) have a knack for working with anyone, including nightmare partners. Maybe the "terrible" culture at this other firm won't affect you.

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