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The most confusing part for me is how people who wave flags and scream “FREEDOM!” want to legislate freedom away from so many different groups of people. If “FREEDOM!” is really what people want, then it has to apply to every person and situation, does it not? Like, if one wants freedom from wearing a mask or getting a vaccine, both of which DO have negative consequences and RESTRICT freedom for those surrounding them, why don’t those same people want others to have the freedom to say who they are or do what they want in their own homes when that DOESN’T affect anyone else’s freedom? Gotta decide. One way or the other. If they want their assault rifles, then certainly people can say they are gay or straight without impunity and women can decide what to do with their own bodies, right? 🙄
Why do any children need to know the sexual preference, identity, or orientation? I have seen teachers plaster pride stuff all over their classrooms. Kids don’t need to know or care about any of this. Adults want to force their own insecurities on children. So what is Billy has 2 mommies? Or one, or none? We can teach respect for all, without labeling anyone. Gay people sai they want to be like everyone else. No they don’t. They said they just wanted legal marriage. No. They want to be special and different and catered to. I don’t walk into my classroom and announce my sexuality, my marital status, how many mommies I had. I can be respectful and inclusive without teaching ANY of this. Let the parents do it.
I don’t believe teachers are indoctrinating younger children towards being LGBTQ. I know what the bill says, but I can see this being a way to take a conversation about a classmate’s two mothers, you know kids ask those questions, like explaining to the class that some kids have two moms, and the teacher being found violating this law. Or how about when we are working on empathy towards others? That seems to set these parents off as well. The bottom line is, they don’t WANT people to have empathy towards this group. They want them shoved back into the closet and shunned. This bill is just the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming. Now that Florida has done this, other states will follow with more restrictive laws than this. It just opened Pandora’s box.
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Minnesota, I won’t go as far as to call what you said a lie, as you did to HSET1, but it technically is. The goal of these people is domination by Christians in every area of government, because these people believe that the US should be a Christian country with Christian ideals. Meaning, anything that doesn’t fly with the OLD testament (Jesus would not have shunned gays or anyone else) should be illegal. https://www.salon.com/2021/10/31/how-extremist-christian-theology-is-driving-the-right-wing-on-democracy/
People need to read the bill. Nothing in there says “don’t say gay”
Chief
Thank you for sharing this.
I haven't read the bill, but I am all for anything that keeps our kids from being bombarded at school with the obnoxious agenda of the vocal minority who would insist that we and our children need to be inundated with and celebrate sexual perversion such as homosexuality, transgenderism.
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Ironically, I think the BLM organization has hurt the very community for whom they have pretended to advocate. Most recently, their leadership has been under scrutiny for grifting tens of millions from well-meaning supporters of the black community in order to indulge themselves in luxurious real estate, among other issues. This disconnect leads to many arguments among those who can't manage to separate the two, unfortunately.
It is NOT the school system's place to talk to MY children about anything this personal. Stick to teaching the facts instead of pushing a point of view.
Chief
People: I don’t want the government to tell me what to do!
Same people: I want the government to tell me what folks can’t do!
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This is so true. I don’t agree that there is a need to discuss sexuality in K-3 classrooms. I also doubt it really ever happens. But some have chosen to trap on to a few outlier events and create laws based on them. This should be something that can be dealt with internally at the school level.
It says nothing about “Gay”, shame on the media for sensationalizing things that aren’t real. Shame on their disciples for going on “gay, gay,gay” rants all over the internet. Unfortunately something like this is needed because there are educators and school staff shaping students minds with their own beliefs. That’s why this is necessary. I’m not here to explain the bill, do some research and find out if you’re uncertain about what it actually does.
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NYMS1. Agreed. So many comment with no real grasp of what this legislation does. I also suggested that people educate themselves and got a warning for being negative.
Sexuality should not be a topic taught in school.
I wonder how many people actually know what grades this legislation impacts?
Absolutely! Once the topic comes some child goes home and misinterprets the discussion and then parents go ballistic. We had parents berate a teacher for mentioning day of the dead celebration (in an Art class) and had her disciplined for speading evil omens!!!! Parents are crazy.
Seriously? You're upset about not being able to talk about homosexuality to children? How about the fact you can't talk about God in school because it offends people of other religions, but talking about homosexuality is different? Please tell me how.
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It is not just Christian ideology. Its science that kids under 10 should not and are not ready to be taught about anything sex related. That is all this bill is saying. You can twist it in your mind however you want. But the fact is, the bill says that no sexual content should be taught to kids in grades k-3. Its not a difficult or unreasonable ask.
Why would I want someone speaking to my child grades K-3 about their sexuality? That's my responsibility as the child's father. FREEDOM to teach that subject to our own children at that age.
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I think you have to look at the bill from where it started. There were earlier versions that were much more restrictive and I don’t feel like it has good intentions at its roots. Idk. Of course I don’t think teaching kids about their sexual preference in primary school is appropriate. But who is doing this? The parents’ need for legislation would indicate that this is a prevalent issue. I would like to see the research on where this is actually happening. Also, the fact that it is starting a new trend in legislation that does restrict more freedoms is concerning. Not to mention that as teachers we have restricted first amendment rights but students do not.
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There was an new addendum to our contracts this year stating that teachers couldn’t record anyone without notifying everyone in the room that they were recording (it’s legal to record audio in Texas). Nothing about consequences for students or parents.
Chief
100% agree with this bill.
Michigan , please read the bill and stop making stuff up.
Since evidently someone couldn't deal with my p.o.v.- I'll attempt to re-state a response to a MN comment (where them talking about homosexuality as "perversion" evidently isn't "excessively negative". Anyway...what teachers are seriously having full out sex talk with K-3 classes? They aren't. The bill is written vaguely so that parents can have a cow and a whole herd of calves if a teacher teaches something that makes them feel uncomfortable- and take 1 guess as to if it will be equally applied to heteronormative roles and relationships or not.
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For those who said such materials are not covered in school and then ignored my examples, let me also point out that very young kids have access to pornographic books in school libraries like the graphic novel A Handmaidens’s Tale where there are pictures of nude women tied up eating dog food or nude women with a gun in their mouth or pictures and descriptions of men raping women and young boys. I’m not one for banning books, but how can anyone think books like this are appropriate?
I think I just want to teach PE and keep ALL of the political nonsense out the schools. Children are not developmentally capable of handling these adult topics. These are adults trying to push an agenda.
The primary concern about these laws is that the are deliberately vague and open to interpretation. So while the law may not specifically ban certain things, the vagueness creates enough doubt to effectively silence teachers and stigmatize LGBTQ kids. It's chilling, and completely unnecessary. This is part of the culture wars that certain politicians are doing to pander for votes. It benefits no one.
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Who says homosexuality is sexual perversion? I thought you people were all for “freedom”?
Rising Star
Does Jesus say one can’t be homosexual? I thought Jesus’ teachings came ahead of the Old Testament, which also says you can’t have sex if it’s that time of the month, you can’t eat certain foods, etc. Do we also need laws for those things as well?
Chief
Ok I expect a full book report tomorrow from all the non-lawyers that have read this bill. It’s about as clear as mud.
https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/er/pdf
A lot of the defenses of this bill that hinge on the fact that it supposedly treats all orientations as equal ignore the fact that the enforcement mechanism (allowing any parent to sue a school district over objectionable content) all but ensures that this will effectively target marginalized groups, which is exactly what was intended. To pretend otherwise requires either extremely gullibility or bad faith.
K-3 is not the place for discussions about sexuality or attraction. Why do some adults so desperately want to talk about that topic with small children? It isn't developmentally appropriate. Teach kids to be nice and not bully regardless of someone's differences or their family structure. Nothing else needs to be said about it.
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Kids bring up all kinds of off-topic things but I don’t teach anything that isn’t part of the curriculum. What do you do when kids bring up the Kardashians?