Put on record? Wtf? Is this your first job? This doesn't go on your criminal record as if you committed a crime.
With that said, why didnt you let your manager know when you left? Did you seriously just leave an hour an half earlier and expect it would be okay? Did you plan at all to make up that time in the future?
You need to read all of his posts. He was knocking on doors for hours. He still had a 3 hour drive to get home - unpaid. It sounds like a terrible job. @Deloitte 2 - be nice. 🤓
I feel like using PTO isn’t going to do much since your only doing it because you were caught. The right thing to do would have been to tell your manager and ask and say you would make up the time.
And ultimately it is time theft because you left work, didn’t use time off so you would have gotten paid for the full day had your manager noticed. Agree it’s a small amount but definitely shows a lack of integrity.
The time theft term here is extremely harsh here. Funny how if you stayed late as a salaried employee this term is not throw at the employer for not paying for 100% of your time.
At the end of the day, it is all about communication. I don't know the specifics of the issue here, but the only time that I have heard time theft being thrown at someone is if they have a history of working 5 hours and charging client code 10 hours. Back in the day we had some people who did this and who had a pattern of doing this which ultimately caused them to get let go as it calls into question your integrity and honesty since the whole profession is based on this (i.e. documentation, how we record timendaily, etc).
“Time theft” is a little harsh, especially if this is the first time this has come up — but yeah, if I were your manager, we’d be having a conversation about work expectations. If you’re staffed on my project full time, I expect you to be available during standard work hours. Everyone needs to go to the doctor/get a haircut/take the car in occasionally, so if you need to leave early or be out midday once in awhile, NBD — but let your team know so they’re not waiting for you to work on something time-sensitive.
I feel like there is something else at play here. If you’re a top performer and you leave early your boss might be angry but they will have a private conversation with you. Unless they are a micromanaging control freak, they won’t go straight to reporting you.
I don’t know your culture but that sounds harsh. So much talk of WLB, hard to believe leaving early is flagged like this. Leave early, work late, all seems fair. But obviously not where you are.
Some of these top 4 consulting guys chiming in as if their level of pay even comes close to what the original poster probably makes, or what his experience might be in Canada’s economy as a door to door salesman. Easy for you guys to scoff in a cushy job with either limited commute time and/ or completely reimbursed travel / food expenses. What makes your responses so egotistical / unhelpful? Lay off.
Poster- I agree that you should book it as paid time off even though you already took it. This will NOT show on your record with future background checks, you’ll be fine finding another job if that ever becomes an issue. You also would have the opportunity to explain something off if you’re chosen for a background check.
For the meeting- Do not argue or say it was just 1.5 hours, that looks bad- understand your employer’s perspective. Be ready to give a *valid* reason for leaving early. Did you attempt to contact your employer, or try to enter your time off in the system before hand? Let them know if you did. Be confident when you speak, but also state this was a one time occurrence and will not happen again.
Your boss does seem to micromanage, but ultimately for your job security would try to get through this meeting unscathed with these tactics. If possible, search for a new job and when interviewing ask how they approach managing the team, policies for time off and communication expectations.
It sounds like your trying to justify it to yourself in the fact that it was only 1.5 hours. But from your bosses perspective he is likely thinking if you were dishonest about this one time how many other times and total hours has the happened that he never found out about. Not saying that’s the case but this is likely what he’s thinking and why he is reacting like this.
No, employees records are not on a public database and are usually kept internal unless there is a Court order. If you are terminated sometimes they will disclose that if they contact them for a reference but there not going to disclose details of your employment.
So to answers all the questions. I have in past stayed longer I work in door to door industry, every week they give us area to work in. Every area has different potential. I left from work on Saturday 4:30 my job goes till 6:00 and i had 3 hr drive ahead of me to back to my home. I left early because I already knocked all the possible doors and there was no one. Home maybe because they were out for vac or gone for some reason. So I started my day at 10 and till 4:30 I knocked all the door for 3 times also i have been working in the area since Tuesday so I didn’t see anyone was home at those addresses. I didn’t ask my boss because he is control freak micro manage kinda guy. Once because of some technical issue the area i was working in got some problem and it was my last day of week and I got to know about it at 12:00 noon . I informed him about the issue. He told me to go and stay at tim hortons till 6pm. That’s why I didn’t ask him. I know i made a mistake. But it was only 1.5hr.
I am just trying to give clear picture about my job and myself. Ik I should have informed him. I know i made a mistake. Question is , someone told me that it goes on your employment record. Which I think that comes up in your background check, which makes it super difficult to find a job. So is that true or no? Is there anything like employment record which get shared to your new employer? Again I am not talking about reference Just simply background check. And yes it is my 1st job
From your description, it kinda sounds like a door to door salesman job. Can you provide more insight into what you do? Are you in public accounting or some other industry?
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Put on record? Wtf? Is this your first job? This doesn't go on your criminal record as if you committed a crime.
With that said, why didnt you let your manager know when you left? Did you seriously just leave an hour an half earlier and expect it would be okay? Did you plan at all to make up that time in the future?
You need to read all of his posts. He was knocking on doors for hours. He still had a 3 hour drive to get home - unpaid. It sounds like a terrible job. @Deloitte 2 - be nice. 🤓
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I feel like using PTO isn’t going to do much since your only doing it because you were caught. The right thing to do would have been to tell your manager and ask and say you would make up the time.
And ultimately it is time theft because you left work, didn’t use time off so you would have gotten paid for the full day had your manager noticed. Agree it’s a small amount but definitely shows a lack of integrity.
Why did you leave early?
If he takes you to court and wins you could face up to 5 weeks in jail. Time theft is serious in this industry.
The time theft term here is extremely harsh here. Funny how if you stayed late as a salaried employee this term is not throw at the employer for not paying for 100% of your time.
At the end of the day, it is all about communication. I don't know the specifics of the issue here, but the only time that I have heard time theft being thrown at someone is if they have a history of working 5 hours and charging client code 10 hours. Back in the day we had some people who did this and who had a pattern of doing this which ultimately caused them to get let go as it calls into question your integrity and honesty since the whole profession is based on this (i.e. documentation, how we record timendaily, etc).
“Time theft” is a little harsh, especially if this is the first time this has come up — but yeah, if I were your manager, we’d be having a conversation about work expectations. If you’re staffed on my project full time, I expect you to be available during standard work hours. Everyone needs to go to the doctor/get a haircut/take the car in occasionally, so if you need to leave early or be out midday once in awhile, NBD — but let your team know so they’re not waiting for you to work on something time-sensitive.
I feel like there is something else at play here. If you’re a top performer and you leave early your boss might be angry but they will have a private conversation with you. Unless they are a micromanaging control freak, they won’t go straight to reporting you.
Well he’s obviously not the sharpest, so highly doubt he’s a high/top performer able to cut corners here and there. No offense OP.
I don’t know your culture but that sounds harsh. So much talk of WLB, hard to believe leaving early is flagged like this. Leave early, work late, all seems fair. But obviously not where you are.
Some of these top 4 consulting guys chiming in as if their level of pay even comes close to what the original poster probably makes, or what his experience might be in Canada’s economy as a door to door salesman. Easy for you guys to scoff in a cushy job with either limited commute time and/ or completely reimbursed travel / food expenses. What makes your responses so egotistical / unhelpful? Lay off.
Poster- I agree that you should book it as paid time off even though you already took it. This will NOT show on your record with future background checks, you’ll be fine finding another job if that ever becomes an issue. You also would have the opportunity to explain something off if you’re chosen for a background check.
For the meeting- Do not argue or say it was just 1.5 hours, that looks bad- understand your employer’s perspective. Be ready to give a *valid* reason for leaving early. Did you attempt to contact your employer, or try to enter your time off in the system before hand? Let them know if you did. Be confident when you speak, but also state this was a one time occurrence and will not happen again.
Your boss does seem to micromanage, but ultimately for your job security would try to get through this meeting unscathed with these tactics. If possible, search for a new job and when interviewing ask how they approach managing the team, policies for time off and communication expectations.
Yes, never do this
Yes but always give a reason why you left early and say that you will make up the hours
Common sense isn’t very common. OP you’re an employee. You have a boss. You don’t just leave early without telling your boss.
Are you hourly? Have you ever worked 1.5 hours over??
Just charge it to PTO.
Every place I’ve worked has had a system where you go in and put in your PTO after taking it.
Say that you planed on charging vacation time like you had at other jobs, and that you’ll let them know in advance in the future.
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It sounds like your trying to justify it to yourself in the fact that it was only 1.5 hours. But from your bosses perspective he is likely thinking if you were dishonest about this one time how many other times and total hours has the happened that he never found out about. Not saying that’s the case but this is likely what he’s thinking and why he is reacting like this.
Rising Star
No, employees records are not on a public database and are usually kept internal unless there is a Court order. If you are terminated sometimes they will disclose that if they contact them for a reference but there not going to disclose details of your employment.
So to answers all the questions.
I have in past stayed longer
I work in door to door industry, every week they give us area to work in. Every area has different potential. I left from work on Saturday 4:30 my job goes till 6:00 and i had 3 hr drive ahead of me to back to my home.
I left early because I already knocked all the possible doors and there was no one. Home maybe because they were out for vac or gone for some reason. So I started my day at 10 and till 4:30 I knocked all the door for 3 times also i have been working in the area since Tuesday so I didn’t see anyone was home at those addresses.
I didn’t ask my boss because he is control freak micro manage kinda guy. Once because of some technical issue the area i was working in got some problem and it was my last day of week and I got to know about it at 12:00 noon .
I informed him about the issue. He told me to go and stay at tim hortons till 6pm.
That’s why I didn’t ask him.
I know i made a mistake. But it was only 1.5hr.
This sounds like you need another job. Gain some more skills and transfer somewhere else where you are treated like a professional.
Also, company make us travel once every week for 2-3 hours from our house to territories.
But for those extra hr travel there is no consideration only mileage which is 0.42 $ after deducting 60km from total travel in a day
I am just trying to give clear picture about my job and myself. Ik I should have informed him.
I know i made a mistake.
Question is , someone told me that it goes on your employment record. Which I think that comes up in your background check, which makes it super difficult to find a job.
So is that true or no?
Is there anything like employment record which get shared to your new employer?
Again I am not talking about reference Just simply background check.
And yes it is my 1st job
That kinds put my mind at ease. True lesson learned
From your description, it kinda sounds like a door to door salesman job. Can you provide more insight into what you do? Are you in public accounting or some other industry?
It’s door to door sales for bell products