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I had an Army Drill Sergeant give a memorable speech to us at boot camp. “I don’t wanna hear no racist s***. Y’all ain’t white. Y’all ain’t black. Ain’t no brown. Ain’t no yella. Y’all’s all GREEN! And y’all’s on the same team where your life may be in somebody’s else hand and then you gonna focus on living, not the color of somebody tryin’ to keep you alive. So knock that s*** off now.”
I LOVE THAT!!! Wish he was PRESIDENT!!!!
"I don't see height," "I don't see gender," would be strange, wouldn't it? Erasing something about a person that does have an influence on their life experiences. I do see color, but that doesn't mean I see it as less than or more than.
While you can't really ignore color, you can't use it to determine what it says about their lives.
Growing up I always noticed people of different colors, and I never thought twice about it. To me it was normal. Everyone can see color. That’s not the issue. But to ignore the diversity & deny that others are treated differently because of it feels like gaslighting to those who experience such discriminatory treatment. Perhaps instead of saying “I don’t see color” we can say “ All people of all races are equal & have value”. Just my two cents.
It's also not great to deny that, because you aren't another color, you haven't been discriminated against it mistreated, overlooked, etc. Those things happen to a white gay man these days as much as anyone, for example.
Saying you don’t see color is just so disingenuous and ultimately often offensive to people of color. It’s OK to see color and celebrate people of different races and we should do that as society. Everyone should be celebrated for who they are. Pretending you don’t see color just tries to White wash everything and it’s kind of insulting. People have different cultures and beliefs. See it acknowledge it learned from it and celebrate it.
I always thought that was a figure of speech, a way for a person to claim they do not judge others by color. I doubt when a person says it that they literally mean it or that they intend to erase part of your individuality. Taking everything personally is what makes navigating issues such as this so difficult. The last thing I ever want to do is offend anyone, ever, but I can't be bothered with all this sensitivity, especially when a person clearly means no harm. In fact, whoever uses that sentence is trying to express the opposite. Reframe it and quit analyzing everything to the point that you find something offensive in everything. Who cares what random people say anyway? What is it exactly that you want them to assume about you in noticing your skin color? My best friend in the world is black. I'm white. She is always assuming things she has experienced are foreign to me and will joke about it. She has never once been correct. I'm not eating that there may not be some differences. I can't think of one now, but the point is, focusing on our similarities is not such a bad thing. That can get us started. The closer we get and learn to trust each other, our individual and cultural differences can be shared and celebrated or released. We all need to extend a little mercy.
Again, why are we taking the statement literally all of a sudden? Everybody knew until 18 seconds ago that it meant color didn't matter, not that you literally couldn't distinguish between different hues. Looking for racism where there isn't any.
Well, we realized that's a cop-out. You can't NOT see people's color. It's kind of obvious.
And the people who say "I don't see color" are often the same ones who say "I can't be racist. I've got black friends!" It usually goes along with denying racism.
MHST1, I personally don't make statements about race because it seems irrelevant to most subjects of conversation. I can't even imagine what context compels people to say that, but before you assume it's a cop-out or ironical statement intended to throw you off their track, I hope you gather stronger evidence than that. It's just a stupid figure of speech--unless you've seen them commit racist acts. I hate a racist worse than anything. I even have compassion for a murderer before a racist because hate is always from an evil place. True racists are terrifying because they don't even try to conceal it. You will likely not see them making statements like they don't see color. They don't care about deceiving you because they care nothing about you. Thank God we don't have many of those around like we did when I was growing up in Tennessee. I have several Klan stories, and they terrified me. People who say they don't see color are not racists. You won't have to guess when you encounter a racist for real, and their tell will not be trying to convince you they're not a racist by making some innocent statement. I'm not saying that there aren't people who prejudge or make assumptions about people based upon our skin color, but true racists? They are disappearing fast. No one likes a racist. I wish change would come faster, but racism is nowhere near what it was 30 years ago. I've been to restaurants in the late 1990s that black people couldn't enter but could only order through a window and eat outside. I've been to doctors' offices with separate waiting rooms, all black schools that looked like on paper had black students attending school alongside white classmates. I could go on and on with shocking tales at the turn of the century. That was racism, and most of those people are dead. The real racists live off as far away from any racial mix as they can get because real racists have that kind of hate.
Unfortunately, we live in a society that has used color for centuries to hold a person down. Laws were created to hold people back based on their sex or the color of their skin.
Currently, the Supreme Court has ruled that ICE agents CAN rely on factors such as race, speaking Spanish, wearing workman-like clothes, and location (being present at places such as carwashes or Home Depot parking lots) to meet the standard of "individualized suspicion" to stop and detain a person.
Immigration agents are allowed by law to use force when they have "reasonable grounds to believe that such force is necessary," according to DHS policy. It's unclear what the agency considers "objectively reasonable,".There have been dozens of recorded instances where agents have smashed car windows in order to pull out suspects.
Claiming to be “color blind” just means you are blinding yourself to the realities of racism and racial prejudice in all its forms.
HSAT1, I'm totally confused about whom we're talking about. I thought we were talking about someone making that statement in the teacher's lounge or something. Are ICE agents now saying they don't see color? I've never heard anyone chasing down illegal immigrants claim to "not see color." Please send me a link to that clip. Otherwise, don't falsely attribute a statement to someone who obviously wouldn't make it and expect that to serve as proof that the statement is racist. Read my post above. I didn't think this immigration thing would go down like this. I thought we'd just close the border, but I don't think people understand just how much illegal immigrants cost our country and drain our resources. I wish that we could fix all of the world's problems, but we have been doing that for so long that we're over 38 trillion in debt. If your own relative is living at your house and giving you less in rent than having him there has increased your bills, something will eventually have to give. Most Illegals don't even pay taxes but use our infrastructure, our emergency rooms, our education system, which requires more resources because they don't speak English. Then if they have a kid here they get full benefits. It is estimated that each illegal immigrant costs tax payers $68,000 per year. They are mostly uneducated, so they earn low wages, drive wages down, and can't possibly pay enough in taxes if they do have a work permit to offset the benefits they're getting. Look it up.. They need our police our fire trucks. New York City was talking about how they are draining the resources for their legal residents. The national debt is mostly owed to social security recipients. They say social security will be insolvent in 10 years. Do you mean to tell me that it is all right with you that our government is using our money that is supposed to take care of us when we're old and instead giving it to illegal immigrants who have bypassed the line that many people have waited in legally to enter for years? It is not all right for the police to use unnecessary force, but something about coming here makes people think they can rise up against the police and try to grab their guns and tasers, assault them, curse at them, spit on them, throw stuff at them, and then cry foul when they respond. I do not believe the ICE is initiating the violence with the sweet immigrants I know. What I've seen are people who have no respect for the law as evidenced by their actions, and they're getting handled sometimes, and sometimes when the agents can't de-escalate, then they escalate. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. I wish we could help everyone, but we need to balance our own checkbook first, which means the social security trust fund needs to be fully solvent.
It's kind of weird to me. I was also raised to be "color blind". Not that we didn't see it, but it shouldn't matter, just like eye color or hair color shouldn't matter. And often doesn't, except when they do. But to ignore people's experiences is insensitive: I get that. But can I assume that if I've met one person of , I've met more than one. So what am I to do? Personally, I try to treat people as individuals, without grouping them by how they appear to me. Sometimes I succeed.
When you say "I don't see color " you're saying you don't see that person, their experiences, their culture, the things that have defined who they are. See the differences and appreciate them. Understand that different doesn't mean inferior and different is not only ok it's good.
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Lynn…no, ppl of color actually don’t get it at all. They don’t like being somewhat invisible, visually that is anyway.
As a person of color, my response, always is why can we enjoy the magnificent colors of an rainbow, or the gorgeous colors of a multi-colored flower garden. But when it comes to people some say, they don't see color. I want you to see my beautiful chocolate mocha skin, my kinky hair and thick lips and appreciate our differences, just as you would a rainbow or flower garden. If you have to ignore my color to not judge me, my question is why. MLK never preached a colorblind society. In our history, this country has judged people by their color, his message was that character is the real essence of a person, not color. So, see me, see all of me, please and then get to know me. When I see a white person, I see their blond hair, blue eyes, straight nose and thin lips, and it doesn't matter. I want the same from others. Do not make the beauty of what I am invisible.
I use to think of it as not seeing color but I’ve transitioned to I don’t judge color. I see it, I see how when I take my daughters sister in law and brother in law (they are 14 and 15) that there are people who do judge color and I don’t tolerate it.
I worked at the school the kids were in and the AP was tired of seeing the boy in the office so she sent me to observe the classroom to help come up with strategies. What I noticed while not intentionally he wasn’t acting out any more than several other boys in the classroom., but He’s super smart and the tasks he was given then act up and the other boys weren’t finishing the work and were acting out. I reported back that because he didn’t match the others I felt like he was getting reprimanded so much more.
I see it, I stand up for equal treatment… but if you come to my classroom you’ll never see this. You’ll see a teacher who has shacks for the hungry, learning some Spanish because my kids speak a lot of Spanish at home and like when I can recognize things from their conversations with peers, greet them, or count in Spanish too.
I have learned I’ll never know what it’s like to speak 1 language at home and 1 at school, I’ll never know what it’s like to try to fit into a predominantly white school and not be white, but I do know that building and maintaining a safe classroom for everyone includes learning about each other, celebrating our differences, our cultures, and languages.
I think what was meant by this comment was "I don't see color as being significant in how I judge you as a human being." That was a nice sentiment but never entrenched in people's psyches. What we've learned is that we experience life differently based on our "color." We have significant research that something as unrelated to skin color like who owns the house that is being sold can significantly affect the value buyers place on the house. People of color are advised by helpful realtors to hide anything that could hint at non-whiteness to be able to get higher offers. This holds true in employment, purchasing a vehicle, etc. Not everyone all the time, but we are the sum of our experiences. Being color-blind negates the different, and often more difficult, experiences that I've had compared to someone very similar in other ways who is white. I understand this might come from a good place from you but it isn't helpful. I don't view any student I have in a wheelchair as less of a human being but if I don't their inability to climb stairs into account when they are called to receive their diploma, my blindness does not yield positive results for them. If men don't recognize that I'm a woman and that I may not be as safe walking home after a late night meeting, they are actually exposing me to a higher risk of harm. So instead of not seeing my color, please don't view my color as a negative and acknowledge that we have experienced life in very different ways and will continue to experience life differently until skin color isn't viewed by anyone as a postive or negative.
We're all made in God's image so color is not as important as the love you show your neighbor as commanded by Jesus Christ Himself...
You know what, sometimes it's not about your intent, it's about your impact. If you are more concerned about how it makes you feel when a person of color or whatever marginalized community says in response to blanket "Live, Laugh, Love" type statements versus the lived experience and why it is deeming, then that's on you. There is plenty of books, podcasts, research, etc. about internalized biases and systemic racism. Just because people quote Dr. MLK Jr., doesn't mean they didn't kill him too. As someone who grew up in Louisiana and eventually went to undergrad in North Louisiana, they were still housing us by race. 1- White, 2- Black, 3- Other. And this was in 1999.
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They’re still redlining in this country.
Saying you don’t see color means you do not appreciate the diverse gifts of each culture. It’s the ridiculous “melting pot” paradigm - which basically means everyone should abandon their culture and become the dominant culture. It’s far better to see our society as a gumbo pot (Leveling the Praying Field, Ansel Augustine). Each culture has its own flavor that it adds to the pot. All the ingredients don’t taste the same. It’s their differences that make the gumbo great. This is a far better way to see our classrooms, communities, and nation.
That's not what it means at all.
There still may be some hidden biases if you think about it. Even people that consider themselves not racist may have some minor ones. It doesn't mean that one wants to harm another in any way.
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Absolutely. That’s called implicit bias and to me, if we don’t keep that bias in check -it just takes over.
The diversity gurus cancelled this saying about 15-20 years ago. I think for good reason but they tend to get high on their ivory pillar when someone uses it that is less hip to the diverse lingo speak. It is kind of a lazy lame statement often used by those less engaged in these sorts of dialogues, so it is a telling marker of sorts. I think we should show grace and educate when folks use it. Expand the conversation, don't judge and cancel.
I am the same way. A couple years ago, our entire district had sensitivity training. The presenter said that he wanted us to see his color. I am still not sure what to do with that. ??? Obviously, I can see what each individual looks like. But I will not take that into account, whether good or bad, when dealing with a person. If they are good to me, I will be good to them. If they are not good to me, I will still do my best to be good to them. I was raised that way.
It's good to see that there are other rational people floating around on this forum that actually get it. I'm not sure if this is reflective of our literacy problem in this country, but we've lost the ability to use symbolic language. Either way, it's ironic that the phrase started out as a way to supersede race is now being used by its purveyors to label anyone who uses it as a racist.
I can tell you exactly what that presenter meant. Once again, he didn't want you to be able to literally discern the hue of his skin. He wanted you to go against your upbringing and take his race into account. He wants you to strain off everything you think, say, and do through a racial filter. He wants you to think of him differently, as special, even. In other words, he wants to insert race into situations where it hadn't even been a consideration before. It's as if they're trying to cause more racism for some reason.
I see color, I’m not blind.
However, when it comes to the pigment, I don’t see color. All I see is a person, I treat people equally the same. I don’t expect to be treated any different from how I treat you.
People always forget that was aspirational and there was quite a bit in the speech that needed to be addressed first.
The concept of "race" was developed by Enlightenment-era thinkers, most notably Swedish naturalist Carolus Linnaeus and German physiologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, white people, who classified humans into different groups in the 18th century to rationalize colonial exploitation and slavery, not through scientific evidence but as a folk idea linking physical differences to inherited behavioral and moral qualities. So MLK was speaking to this mentality - of not just judging but discriminating people based on their race which is still done today not just by individuals but by systems of power (laws) especially in the USA and all countries that have been colonized.