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Any advice on moving from L4 to L5 in Amazon?
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It's not uncommon to ask for references, a lot of the time it's just to check your employment history to check you didn't make up a title or duration.
My experience for having given details for a reference:
- A conversation has only happened once a position was offered and accepted
- Most of mine have been a simple formality of filling out a form that has start & end date and role titles. I've only once had the new company request a call with references
- When I've been asked to provide contact details, I've stated whether or not this person is from my current workplace and that I only want them to be contacted AFTER the role has been offered and accepted AND I've handed in my notice
Now in terms of who to choose, try and think about making sure that they provide a 360 opinion, I suggest
1. Someone who can vouch for your skills & work ethic - a previous manager (or a professor if this is your first job)
2. Someone who can vouch for your collaboration & communication skills - a colleague (if this is your first job, suggest a teammate from a recent project)
3. Someone to vouch for how well you work with stakeholders - think about someone from another team (if this is your first job, another professor would be good here too)
Great info on who to include as references. I have had the request for references all throughout the process. Even saw it on the application, which I’ll usually just give when asked for. Not sure if that has ever held me back or not.. Not abnormal, although it depends a lot on which companies and positions you go for.
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Legally there are only a few limited things a previous employer can say about you without risking legal action (that you worked there and dates of service)
The fact that the hiring manager thinks they are going to have a conversation could mean they are new or out of touch with current regulations
Keep going if you must but expect a manager who makes other big mistakes.
Hi, don't panic. The references don't have to be with your current employer. They can be a teacher, mentor, or a collaborator (even a customer) from a previous professional interaction.
They can & should call HR to verify employment facts; but legally HR can only verify your job title & dates of employment. This is common for credit checks also (like when applying for a loan) so HR is very use to these type calls. It typically doesn't set off alarms.
I highly recommend you contact your reference first to give them a heads up. You want to ensure they will say positive things about your relationship. You also want to verify current contact information (phone, email, text, etc).
When a hiring manager is at the reference stage, it is usually a confirmation (not a screen) tactic; so could mean you're at the final stage. Personally, I only see reference requests after a job offer is on the table. This avoids fraudulent practices on both sides.
Good luck!
Often asked never relinquished! Why? They don’t care about you or your references. What they do want is marketing leads. Hiring managers. Your old boss is their new target.
I have reference letters I am happy to present but no contact information ever. Balaji @ AT&T is most I’ll give them.