If a PWD is about to expire and you want to post at least one form of recruitment to save it, does the NOF count? Or does it have to be the SWA, Sunday ads, or one of the other 3 pieces? Regs aren’t super clear and my googling is iffy at best.

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NOF counts. But be careful about the timing of the rest of the ads and the filing of the PERM.


Nof doesn’t count to extend pwd.


Yes the NOF would start the recruitment period. You can use the PWD so long as any ad starts before the PWD expiration date. For ex: PWD expires June 30, 2022. NOF was first posted on June 29, 2022 and all other ads were posted and PERM filed timely. It counts. The PWD expiration can’t be extended. But it’s usable up until it expires so long as at least one form of recruitment has started.

Right but you don’t put dates on the 9089 right so the CO would probably deny and the you’d have to argue on a request for reconsideration right? Like how would the CO know

Nof is not part of recruitment required by 20 cfr 656.17e or 656.21 so does not extend pwd. See 656.40c. Per 656.10d3(iv), Nof must be put up between 30 and 180 days before filing.

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