It feels almost impossible to get into tech nowadays. No companies want to hire new grads since they all have AI that can basically operate at the same level. Its super super discouraging as someone who just graduated with only 1 internship experience, I feel like I wasted my time getting this degree. Does anyone have any advice?

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I was at a conference a few weeks ago and the keynote speaker said that the job apocalypse that everyone predicted so far has not happened. He said we passed the invent stage but so far no has figured out the innovate phase (next one). I'm 27 years in the job market and looking now. I'm getting calls from recruiters and even interviews. That was not happening Jan 2025 so the market is better than it was but it might still be tough for entry level. All you can do is suck it up and keep applying. Ignore all the rejection you get, hiring is crappy and that is part of the crappy process. You also have to ignore all the ignores you'll get. The other thing I'm seeing is the AI from companies I've applied to have sent my job it thinks I should apply for. Yes, finding a job sucks but it's something we all have to go through. Good luck!

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So says SAP

SAP is so complicated everyone loves it

They can't afford to replace it

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This is the thing
They have AI they think can work
It doesn't
They do not have the people to operate it
It is unstable
Businesses processes are chaotic at least

Get a job
Start your own business
The bean counters are eliminating tech jobs because they are following the bubble
Keep an eye on technology for the future but for now you will be lucky if you get a job

A collapse is coming of their own making

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Good points but it is not viable everyone to become job owners and freelancers. There is no such economy in the world.

Heck, with all the layoffs it feels impossible to stay in tech even if you manage to get in.

As a quick tip for new SWEs, don't try to join the tech industry. Try to join finance or telecom or some other industry, as they also need SWEs. When the economic cycle changes in a few years, you'll have the experience needed to join tech.

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I’ve been in the industry 26 years. What you’re saying definitely has some objective truth to it. But I would gladly hire a recent grad if they knew how to efficiently prompt AI and knew something about architecture, good design patterns, and technologies outside the usual .Net, C#, SQL Server stack. I’d want them to know about data lakes, GraphQl, ETL pipelines, deep AI integration, native mobile development, SOA, middleware, etc etc. Build a portfolio of projects and be able to explain the architecture, data flow, and stack decisions. The value of expertise in any given stack or technology is what’s going to 0 with AI. UX, knowing how to build robust software, knowing the right tech stack for the job, knowing how to keep AI on the rails…these skills will remain valuable for some time.

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Is this post a joke? You’re listing skills of someone with like 20+yrs in the industry. This is senior level requirements. Not entry level. You might be the reason recent grads can’t get jobs if you have any influence over hiring. You probably also think 60k a fair rate for someone with all these skills. Get the out of here with this nonsense.

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Your degree doesn't get you hired.
What gets you hired is skills, enthusiasm, willingness to learn, work ethic and a few other things.

What I am writing below is based on some assumptions that may not apply to you personally, so please forgive me. There has been quite a few similar questions posted lately so I am responding in general. I want to help.

If you cannot find a job and still think you're entitled to a particular salary, think again.
Consider moving too (perhaps even to a different country) -- you're not entitled to have a job where you are. Many of us old-timers had to work shitty jobs and move to a shitty place when we were starting our careers, it wasn't all unicorns and laughs. We had to do it throughout our careers when there was a slump. If you think the world has somehow changed for the best ("moved on") and people just get better stuff by default, this is a fantasy.

Develop unique skills on top of your formal education, move sideways, explore other fields and technologies. Good engineers don't come packaged from a university, they come from life-long learning. Even if your life is only beginning, you need to prove to the employer that you're one of them.

Where I work we prefer to hire graduates, and they do great. Money is not the only reason BTW. After the initial ramp-up, their performance is usually higher than seniors. "AI" or not, companies also need to develop talent for the future. If a particular company is planning to replace juniors and mid-levels with "AI", don't touch touch them with a barge-pole. It won't be fun working for them, and they will fail, as the seniors will eventually retire and nobody will have grown to replace them.

Finally, these are the things I look out for when interviewing grads:
- Willingness to listen, communication, the "don't know yet but eager to learn" attitude
- Ability to reason and ask the right questions
- Honesty and integrity
- Pride in what you've actually done (not just degree marks and certificates)
- Pet/homebrew projects, community (like FOSS) contributions, hobbies
- Showing genuine interest in what the job is about

The above advice applies if you want to find a real engineering job. It will be tough, but it will be rewarding in the end. Can't really advise on just finding a cushy 9-5 job you don't care about, in engineering or anywhere else.

Hope this helps.

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So sick of all the excuses people like you give for basically not paying people a fair salary. The problem is everyone wants everyone to be in some perpetual cycle of paying dues and they never actually get a fair salary until they are 60 and basically making the salary decisions themselves.

“It isn’t always about the money” yeah it actually is. That’s why we work a job. I would be doing something else if I wasn’t being paid to work for you. Even if you like your job, it’s still a job. It’s not leisure. I’m there primarily for money, not to socialize, not for my health, not be a a more accomplished individual, not to learn, to make money, and if anything of the above doesn’t result in more money, I’m not interested. Stop thinking people actually care about your company or their job. They care about their paycheck. Thinking otherwise is delusional.

What you pay someone should have everything to do with the role, skill level, and market you exist in, not how new the company someone is, or how long they’ve been doing for. If a person has been doing a job for 10yrs and a new person comes in to do the exact same job and can do it just as well they should be paid the same and it should be the fair market rate.

And yeah who doesn’t want a cushy 9-5? Isn’t that the goal? Make the most money doing to least amount of work? Effort per dollar is just as important as the absolute dollar amount. If I have to work 2x as hard for 20% more pay, that’s not worth it. Nobody wants a difficult and rewarding job. They want easy money. Are you going to tell me if you were offered 10million dollars you refuse it and work instead because that’s more rewarding? If so then you shouldn’t be giving career advice or even be in charge of hiring because you have an unrelated view of what work and a job means to the average person.

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Don’t believe the AI hype that it will replace all IT jobs, that’s all BS and a way for big Corp to cut jobs now for them to spend it in the infrastructure. In another 2-5 years the story will be different and they’ll need to man power to run it.
Make sure you specialize in an IT area that will be in high demand for the work that complements AI and that enhances its productivity.
Learn and serve as an intern for an area that’s in demand now. The company my son’s works is hiring a lot of interns still in college for different areas (50+) they’ll be trained to deliver work in 2-3 months.
Keep your hopes and head up!

Good luck to you!

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the framing is off though. companies aren't replacing new grads with AI, they're raising the bar for what "entry level" means. the juniors getting hired right now are the ones who can demonstrate they work WITH AI effectively, not just that they can code. that's a learnable skill, not a barrier.

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Maybe is time to go for the most demanding jobs right now, because they pay the most!

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My 2 cents - the ability for new hires in any field waxes and wanes depending on the state of the job market. If there are a lot of people looking the people with experience will beat out the new hires. But eventually these will all be snatched up and companies will start hiring more entries. If I'm right then the takeaway is that it is not AI, and not your skill set, it is the timing so be patient. And another point is that entry level salaries seem to have been inching up closer to senior salaries which are less upward mobile. Companies look at the ROI of salary vs. skills. If you can't up the skills yet, then lower the salary targets and get in the door so you can build the skill set for the next job.

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Companies are hiring and Grads, do not expect to walk into a job, what value do you bring to that company what makes you special. Also look at internships, apprenticeships. You are not special, you need to make yourself stand out. You will get there

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I won't try to convince you that it's easy to get a job in this age, but I will say that AI is a tool that needs discipline and skill to use properly. Chances are it's not going away, so I'd recommend embracing it and learning how it can augment your abilities. I'd very much hire someone with working knowledge of all things Software Engineering who happens to know how to leverage AI efficiently, instead of solely a subscription to the latest coding models.

So, I don't think you wasted your time getting your degree. The knowledge you gained is still very relevant and I think you'll find that once you start using agents to help you code in a professional setting that it's not as hands-off as you think it is.

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" I'd very much hire someone with working knowledge of all things Software Engineering who happens to know how to leverage AI efficiently"
Sure, but it will not be a junior...

Become a barber. In my assessment it’s the vocation most resilient to automation. It’ll be a cold day in hell before I voluntarily let some AI powered hell-bot approach my head with a pair of scissors.

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What is your degree? Over the 4+ years you have been in school, technology has evolved. If your school did right by you they gave you the tools to adapt. If you locked into a very narrow field you may have to see a boot camp type course to reskill a bit.

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