"People just want it to work" is a thing clients have said about the product the company I work for makes. It's true. And it's all over. I usually think it's because Agile's method is what everyone thinks works but so much stuff across all tech areas seems to be released broken and then never fixed or fixed way too slowly. Anyone else feel this way? Has Agile worked for you and your clients?

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I posted a similar question a few weeks back.

After 20 years in tech, half of which was using Agile, I have come to the conclusion that the Agile approach does NOT produce better software. When I worked under Waterfall we routinely released well engineered, well designed, and profitable software. Whereas, Agile seems to take longer and what gets shipped is often "half baked" both in terms of engineering and design.

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The problem is scrum. Getting scrum masters and scrum certifications dont make you Agile. I think if want to learn and be successful with Agile, you need to drop Scrum.

Not that Scrum is bad. But Scrum is the most bastardized of the Agile frameworks.

Agile has worked for most of my career. Regarding the problem your facing, feels like could be improved in 2 ways: (1.) Extreme Programming practice to improve software quality, and (2.) better prioritization (i.e. prioritize prod bugs)

Another thing to note: if there’s too many problem, it’s to pull the cord and stop production (lean practice) and fix the issue

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"people just want it to work"....if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that (or similar) I would be sitting on a tropical island with a bottomless drink in my hand right now.

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Right???

Interesting to see this perspective. I have yet to see Agile work personally, but am surprised at how popular it continues to be

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It's fast which means you can show off something new all the time which is what investors like. It doesn't seem to work in practice.

Agile works for innovative businesses and to release an mvp quickly. It is not there to produce a perfect product but the first necessities needed in the step towards the full product. What I find with agile and businesses is that before businesses complete one project, they move on to the other creating a band aid. Waterfall although creates the full package takes far too long to agree and sign off on the approach and then deliver. By the time you have delivered the product something like covid hits and you have to then start again/ try to find a different solution.
Your topic of ‘people just want it to work’ sounds more like a problem with testers than the agile approach.

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That is not agile at all. And also, that’s not a proper MVP. Like most things that go mainstream, people will claim they know what it is and teach it to others making the problem even worse.

This is Agile

“Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan”

There could be different projects and different disciplines. And quality is never sacrificed.

You want to know what real agile is? Forget scrum. Scrum is great and all, but it is the bastardization of Agile. These folks selling scrum certification is what caused this widespread misconception of what agile is.

Also, since you mentioned MVP. MVP is supposed to validate your business model. That’s why most of the MVP practices before didnt even contains as little code as possible, sometimes, no code at all even. But every bastardized it as well. They saw “Minimum Viable Product”, assumed what it meant, and started talking about their BS definitions in conferences. Even VCs get this wrong

I remember when Kent Beck was in Eric Ries webinar (back when Lean Startup wasnt a thing). Kent said something to Eric along the lines of “if you name something great and becomes popular, people will claim they’ve been doing it all along” 😂

I remember seeing kent back do TDD for the first time. By that time, i was already doing TDD for 3yrs! When i saw him do it, i knew i didnt know anything 😅 i was doing the bastardized version of TDD for the past 3 yrs😅

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