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Everyone has a fair chance now. A person getting into college (most of the time a big waste of time & money) should get in based on their merit, their grades, volunteer service, etc NOT the color of their skin or their ethnicity. When applying, their name should be given a number. The rest of the application should use that number. Age, race, ethnicity, religion, sex, shoud not be known. Fair is fair for all.
You know what’s “killing us”? Continuing to do things as we have been “just because that’s the way we’ve always done it.” The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result (Einstein). To keep making those who work pay for health care is like a tax on workers; to keep watching post-secondary tuition rise and do nothing is watching good minds and future taxpayers go to waste. Yet some people are fine with the American version of “let them eat cake.” I think it’s time for changes, because what we’re doing now is clearly working less and less for the average American.
CES1 You might want to look in the mirror on who is being rascist? Every student should have a fair chance based on their ability and actions. I don’t want to see a doctor, lawyer, etc. that got where they are because of color or race, sex or any other factor. I want to go to someone that has earned their way in regardless of those factors. The past is the past. Bad things happened, let’s learn from mistakes and do it better. Entitlement is not a good thing to teach our youth. Every child should have parents that encourage them in school but that is sadly not the case. I’ve known a lot of kids that didnt have good parent guidance and didn’t have any money, but because they wanted to succeed, they did it themselves through hard work. Let’s help all kids to thrive with their own tools.
Middle school nurse 1, women and people of color were abused both psychologically and physically while protesting to gain the right to vote because of the dangerously sexist/racist behavior of white men in power at the time. So if that’s what you mean by “hard work” then I think we should thank the men and women who “worked hard” to get affirmative action in place as reparation for sexism and racism. Life is not “fair.” It would definitely make some of us (mostly white) people feel better if we all “moved on, forgot history” and pretended that racism and discrimination doesn’t exist anymore. But it does. Yes, it really does exist - even today. Affirmative action just temporarily allows women and a few people of color to be at the same level as a white man of their age and financial level. It levels the playing field a bit, and that’s what makes whites angry about it.
This post is actually very racist. Saying the students who are not white can’t get in on their own merits is quite a disgusting statement.
Could you imagine the outrage of the NBA or NFL had affirmative action??? how many people will be pissed off if the number of blacks were limited, so more white people could be in the NBA or NFL
The past informs the present. The past is prologue. People make choices. They choose to learn from the past and do better or ignore it and repeat it or use it as a blueprint to do worse like the rolling back of rights that legislatures, governors and the Supreme Court has been doing.
Affirmative action was a great example of systemic racism. Thank goodness that's over with.
Can you explain how excluding race keeps students from having a fair chance?
The biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action have historically been white women. Until systemic racist barriers are dissolved from education, AA is a key stepping stone toward equity. I wish people would just say the quiet part out loud—that the only way they believe BIPOC can get into college is via affirmative action
Not to mention that just basing admissions on SAT scores means that rich white kids who went to schools with AP courses and had SAT tutors will be at even more of an advantage 🫠
All whites aren’t rich just as all Blacks aren’t inner city poor, but because whites have had more advantages for a much greater proportion of America’s history, there’s no true comparison here.
As recently as the 1950s, many Black schools got textbooks only after the white schools finished with them; the books were already out of date when Black students got them. Level playing field? For those of you who take issue with this, remember: generations denied an education, generations denied an equal education are supposed to miraculously be the same as generations afforded the opportunity to be educated and to have quality books and equipment?
"Dont judge me based on my color/sex/nationality/sexuality/religion unless it benefits me, then judge me all you want!"
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Wonder why that is? 🙄
You are assuming that they are unqualified. You have an implicit bias you have yet to address. It shows in the vitriol of your comments.
There should be no legacy, daddy/ mommy huge donation to "X" school, or special consideration for any sex/race/nationality. Government needs to get out of the loan business. Those that wish/ want to go to college and have the means to pay for it, should go. It should be made as mandatory. Not everyone should go.
I see a lot of comments on how it’s easier for white people. So here’s something to consider. I didn’t have a privileged life. I had to work hard for everything I wanted. There were many scholarships I couldn’t get because I am white. There were grants I couldn’t get because I’m white. There were colleges that I couldn’t attend because I’m white. There were programs I couldn’t apply for because I’m white. There were classes I couldn’t take because I’m not white. There were a lot of job opportunities that I couldn’t get in school because I’m white and they had a quota. So there was zero advantage. When going into certain programs for education they tried filling them with other races before they would admit any white students. I agree with one of the other posters that said race, sex, and religion should be left out and give the students a number. Base it off of merit and extra curricula and volunteer work. You shouldn’t be denied or admitted/rewarded just because of the color of your skin.
lol, and none of your examples equal not being allowed to take a class because of your race. Surely a teacher knows that.
This is what racists say to justify their beliefs and actions. Also the NBA was segregated until 1950. Team owners refused to sign Black players until they saw how many fans and ticket sales the Big 5 (all Black ) teams were bringing in. Then they decided to integrate because they could make money off of the players. However NBA management continues to be predominantly white as does the NFL. Until recently only whites were allowed to be quarterbacks. Also when players were awarded compensation for brain injury Black players were routinely compensated far less than whites because the league claimed that Blacks start out with less cognitive function. This is a holdover from slavery and eugenics. People who share these beliefs are gatekeepers in education and other areas.
Many schools in the south enforced racially segregated proms through the 1980s. Like minded individuals would be admissions officers in the colleges of those states.
Where I grew up in Virginia, we still had segregated schools until the early 70s. The way they got away with it was to draw school boundaries based on neighborhoods where they knew black or white peoples lived. The junior high that the black kids attended had old used & damaged books and substandard facilities compared to the school for white kids. They were forced to desegregate the schools in 1971, and believe me, I’ll never forget that first day! Riot police, screaming parents protesting and yelling racist epithets. Quite the experience, I can assure you!
CES1 If you are talking to me about bias, that is incorrect. I have never looked at a child’s race, color, sex as to their achievements. I want the best out of every student. sounds like you don’t give everyone the same respect. Sports are a very good example of getting the best people on a team per their ability not anything else. Higher education should get the same respect of ability to be chosen.
No it sounds like I touched a nerve. Sometimes it is difficult for people that have bias to confront reality. It can be more comfortable and easier to dwell in denial.
California, it’s clearly evident who has the bias here. So just keep that going in your head and I hope you get things sorted out. Over and out.
We all have implicit bias- it’s an equal opportunity offender
‘It is well-documented that the people who have benefited most from affirmative action are White women. And yet White women have been the primary plaintiffs in almost all of the most important Supreme Court cases challenging affirmative action.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/30/affirmative-action-supreme-court-white-women/
IES1 I think a number applied to a name where that is all that is evident is wonderful. Everyone gets a fair chance based on their merit.
Harvard has an implicit bias test that people can take to detect if they have personal biases and assumptions.https://edib.harvard.edu/implicit-association-test-iat
Thanks for clarifying that after posting with your stated claim.
since covid, the majority of colleges are not requiring sat and act scores like they used to. An enhancement yes but not a must. Perfect time for kids to step up to the plate and show what they are made of during their high school years.
A question- do people who believe that this is fair due to "meritocracy" feel that generational consequences of inequity (ex: creation of suburbs where *very* low interest rate and ONLY offered to white homeowners) has ended? Also, are you as against legacies (which to be honest tends to basically be affirmative action for white) to the same degree and with the same energy as you are opposed to this type of affirmative action?
Have you driven through a suburb lately? People from all backgrounds live there.
I don't agree with legacy admissions that have money tied to them.