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As I entered school I was taught at an early age the climate is getting colder (climate change) and the water would freeze more and more around N/S Pole. This would result in not having enough water.
I regret spending part of one day worrying about cooling climate change and haven’t spent anytime worrying about warming (climate change). We know there have been warming and cooling time before mankind made any impact on the earth.
I live on a tract of land that has forrest, pastures, spring’s and a creek and like to take good care of the environment I live on, like most people.
Rising Star
I highly doubt you were taught that. It was never really the consensus of the scientific community. There were some studies suggesting the earth might cool due to the effects of particulates from pollution and volcanic eruptions, but contemporary studies quickly showed that the warming effects of greenhouse gases would overwhelm the cooling effects of pollution. And then environmental regulations greatly reduced pollution, leaving CO2 and other greenhouse gases as the dominant drivers of climate change. All this took place over just about a decade, so it’s possible that if you were in school during the brief time when we thought that the trend would be toward cooling. There’s been a firm consensus that the world is in fact warming for half a century now.
Yes, the world is heating up because we use too much fossil fuels say all of the climate change advocates as they board their private jets to attend climate conferences with hundreds of their climate compadres who also all just flew in on private jets. If the hypocrisy were not so blatant it would be funny and not just sad. That being said I don't discount that we, through the use of fossil fuels are affecting the environment but we in the western world have done a significant amount to alleviate our portion of the pollution. The issue is the major polluters are China and India and nothing will help the environmental crisis if those 2 countries do their part. And they don't care. So. We do our part but nothing will get better unless you address those 2 nations.
Oh. And when did John Kerry become a climate "scientist"?
Yeah, anyone who isn’t ideologically captured or a moron knows that CO2 isn’t an issue.
It’s sad that big business was able to drag the media into pushing the man made climate change hoax this far, and so many silly people fell for it.
It will make it so much harder to get people to listen when we need worldwide consensus to deal with bigger issues.
Rising Star
I’ll take the lack of response as a “yes”
As a retired science teacher I can say we try. But we have a hard time competing with big oil, coal, and auto companies. Sometimes you can’t fix stupid.
Staying on topic of what’s in the post. What actually is in your mind the inaccuracy in the visual in the original post?
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T
Highly doubting stated fact from a first hand account?
Then stating
“when we thought that the trend would be toward cooling”
It was actually stated there could or would be another ice age after 4 decades of cooling.
Rising Star
You would need to be about 70 years old in order to plausibly have been taught in school that “global cooling” was a likely scenario. So, not impossible, but climatology was in its infancy then and we have been developing an increasingly robust theory to explain global warming for decades now.
I would believe people are actually concerned about climate change and CO2 emissions only if they are strong supporters of nuclear power generation. There is no other energy source that will provide clean, reliable electric power for a growing economy. Solar and wind are too unreliable. Batteries are not going to smooth out the grid (at least without huge environmental damage and expense).
Science educators should know that nuclear is the answer. Anything else is fantasies and propaganda.
I’m would be shocked if there is anything written about it and I don’t know how to find bankruptcy records. I know about this because I live in NW Oklahoma. I didn’t read about it on the internet.
This part of the world isn’t on the news. I have stories out here that would curl your hair. But the newspapers out here just run happy stories about the local community.
The panhandle of Oklahoma was literally the last place in the United States to have laws. And it still feels that way a lot.
Here’s a pin from that wind farm:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dwUYuZEJkdGq587A7?g_st=ic
There’s a second wind farm just to the east of it that is functional. It can be tough to tell them apart.
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T
In the 80’s temps began to rise slightly
In 1975 Time magazine was writing about global cooling that would or could begin a new ice age.
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Well I am 56 and learned this in middle school.
At this point, the thing that worries me the most is that this has become so ideological that not enough leaders are discussing plans for what happens as the planet continues to warm.
There are a lot of common sense things we could be doing to get ready for all of the things we know are going to happen, but we're stuck between the climate "purists" who won't accept anything but cutting carbon emissions as a solution, even as we're probably past the tipping point, and climate "deniers" who will do whatever they can to avoid confronting the reality that not only is the planet getting warmer, but it's doing so at an unusually fast pace compared to previous warming periods.
Unfortunately this is what happens when you turn objective science into a political issue.
Enthusiast
I don’t even know when that changed. Science has always been a bipartisan issue…. Until recently and it’s bc of big money- big oil, fossil fuel, big gas, they’re making more than you and your kids and their kids would need to live. The love of money (or greed) is the root of all evils.I think climate deniers were visible and vocal before the pandemic. I can’t understand those who live on the coast and continue to deny the realities of climate change.
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Would you like to expand
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T
Just a rounding era of decades
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https://stopthesethings.com/2017/07/15/wind-turbine-blades-a-toxic-legacy-for-centuries-to-come-so-much-for-saving-the-planet/
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China produces more carbon than approximately the the next 7-8 countries combined. They have been adding a couple coal plants per month (not clean coal).
They also have substantial neglect for safety of workers. Let’s not forget Covid.
China prevents a level playing field for American products. They have access to and through all the products they produce for data collection.
Rising Star
The leading emitters per capita are the US and Canada. Let’s not let Sinophobia distract from the actual issue, which no one seems to want to focus on. We ALL (as in nations) need to be better about reducing carbon emissions. Playing some childish game about trying to determine which country is worse is not the point. We do not control China’s emissions, but we should at least be moving to reduce our own emissions, not making a brain dead push to double down on coal.
What in your glowing STEM mind is incorrect about what’s shared in that picture?
Rising Star
1) Trump’s very stupid euphemism about “clean, beautiful coal” is ridiculous nonsense
2) the statement that “when we breathe, we exhale CO2” is woefully ignorant. Breathing does not result in a net increase in atmospheric CO2.
3) yes, “plants need CO2 to grow”, but that also is not a brilliant observation. Plants also need water, but too much can kill them (or us)
Basically, this guy is demonstrating a second grader’s understanding of science