Do you ever feel guilty for using your professional skills to win civilian arguments? I just had to lawyer my way out of a gym contract. The manager tried to tell me there was a three-month notice period hidden in the fine print, and I think I saw his soul leave his body when I started citing the state's consumer protection statutes.

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The real crime is the number of people out there who feel stuck because they don't know their rights or opportunities.

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Usually the formal lawyering makes every dispute worse. But I learned how to be persuasive before I took the LSAT

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Not a bit. Saved myself a pretty penny with my landlord when I was in law school. They tried to make me pay for something that state law requires the landlord to pay for.

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And what statute protects you from a long notice period?

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Exactly my thoughts lol

Used it against my very difficult father who promptly complained about it. No regrets.

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I don’t feel guilty because I’m subtle about it. I’d feel guilty if I told them I was a lawyer or skipped straight to legal argument because that feels like trying to intimidate them. But “I’m comfortable using legal jargon in everyday life” so I throw some things in there. For example, I had mold in my apartment and my landlord didn’t respond correctly after initial notification. In my follow up, I used terms from my state’s landlord-tenant statute without quoting the actual statute. It was enough to signal to them to take me seriously without being directly confrontational. Nothing wrong with protecting your rights.

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I’m usually subtle/creative about it. But when necessary, I’m straightforward and brief, and offer a solution/way forward. I never say I’m an attorney. But that fancy paper and bar card were expensive, gotta get my moneys worth.

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