I had a friend who was struggling under a new boss, got PIP’d and then left for another firm where they’re now thriving. Made me wonder whether PIPs say more about the employee or the manager. Thoughts?

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In many cases, a PIP means the company or manager failed its employees by not providing the proper training and leadership.

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It can be both but I think more often than not it is because of bad management

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It’s a mix. Even if a junior is struggling, they just might not be a fit for consulting but would thrive in another job. That’s not a “bad” employee, those are fairly rare, maybe 10-15% of the PIPs.

You will see PIPs used to reduce headcount or manage out resources that could have succeeded if the leadership actually cared to mentor at all. Those are the places you want to avoid.

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80/20 it’s the employee. If a manager has 30% of their team on a PIP or gets awful 360 feedback that gets addressed by the manager being on a PIP.

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What was the previous firm and what's the new firm? Happy for your bro

Sometimes it is a problem of a person's fit with a specific role and firm. I've seen people leave following a PIP and go on to thrive in another firm. Performance dips can also be a temporary issue - a person just going through a bad / unlucky patch - but often difficult to recover credibility within their current firm.

You really think pips are about the employee? lol

If it were only about leadership there would be nobody out there that had a bad manager and wasn’t on a pip.

It’s true sometimes they are used to justify headcount actions. Still - you have to have failed at some goal to wind up there.

And sometimes leaders don’t invest correctly to help the employee

And sometimes the recruiting process fails and doesn’t screen out someone who isn’t a fit.

But it is usually the employee. And there is usually hard data to back it up: missed deadlines, unable to meet sales metrics, absenteeism, policy / compliance issues, HR investigations, multiple consecutive poor reviews often from more than one source.

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